If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

German Economy Minister:

Britain and Germany must have a comprehensive trade deal after Brexit, Angela Merkel was warned today by a senior politicians.
Bavarian Economy Minister Ilse Aigner said the UK quitting the EU was a 'high risk' to the German economy.
Ms Aigner said Britain was 'one of the most important trading partners for Bavaria', which is home to BMW, Audi and Siemens.
Ms Aigner called for a new EU trade deal Britain, saying: 'We have to do everything to address the uncertainties that have arisen…we have to find ways to put economic relations with the UK on a new foundation without fractures.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3972062/We-NEED-good-deal-Britain-German-minister-warns-Angela-Merkel-way-hold-economic-ties-Brexit.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

CLAPTON

Moby wrote:

You continually blame immigrants for your lack of access to resources.

I have said repeatedly that the rise in population caused problems : I have further noted that immigration increases the population.

Maybe you could explain
a. what is incorrect about these observations
b . how 'hate' comes into it.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

Strange. Why do you feel the need to open a debate about Britains membership of the EU. You do know that Britain is leaving, or do you have doubts?

Where did I mention the term membership? All we are doing is leaving a technical arrangement called the EU and replacing it with another relationship.

It will probably involve compromise somewhere down the line.

My point is that the Brexit vote has demonstrated within the EU that the current arrangement is not working for all. This won't be solely Brits. My Danish friends aren't exactly happy, and there will be misgivings elsewhere. Maybe one size fits all doesn't work.

The so called red line called Freedom of Movement (eg) may not be so much of a red line by the time we reach the end of A50. The EU may find itself redefining these things in self preservation.

kabayiri

Rinoa wrote: »

German Economy Minister:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3972062/We-NEED-good-deal-Britain-German-minister-warns-Angela-Merkel-way-hold-economic-ties-Brexit.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

She's right.

Why would Germany risk harming her economy at this particular time?

The emissions scandal was bad enough for VW. The election of Trump doesn't mean USA trading relationships will remain stable.

The UK is a good market, and German companies enjoy good sales here.

veryintrigued

Crikey its clearly strong stuff as well that Christmas sherry - go steady - you'll regret it in the morning.

Moby wrote: »

You can't be racist against a dominant group in society you plonker.

!

I think whatever argument you were trying to put together you lost it right there......

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Whoooops....

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/prejudice

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bigotry

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism

No they're not interchangeable, you're right, they mean different things.

So when Diane Abbott was being racist, she was in fact being racist, and not bigoted because she's black and was racist towards white people.

Who taught you this?

Edit: Whoever they are want sacking, you can't interchange (as you are doing) the meaning of words to try and make certain types of racial prejudice not racism. We all speak English, once we start altering the meaning of words to suit an ideology we'll be lost to confusion forever.

I so hate the left wing at the moment, I'm very sorry to those genuine left wing people who believe in liberty, egalitarianism, eradication of all discrimination. Noble goals being made difficult by politicised social justice that delivers anything but the true meaning of social justice.

Edit 2: I did a little reading on who Debbie Irving is.

Absolute classic case of social justice "activist" (I prefer the term warrior) who believes in white privilege in America.

https://twitter.com/DebbyIrving/status/786558933167017984

The very people who are being discredited on BLM, gender wage gaps, cyber-touching, free speech, etc...

The point you don't understand is that a label such as 'racism' has a general everyday use and a deeper more sociological or political use. You were using the simple 'ethnic discrimination' use as defined in a dictionary and I was trying to get you to think more deeply about how racism should actually be used i.e the political context. It has nothing to do with me being 'left wing'; these issues are discussed widely in academic circles. It is about power and control of resources or about a political movement to further a certain cause, (e.g. Thomas Mair), to promote the superiority of a certain group in society. On an individual level we would tend to say a person was being 'bigoted' or 'prejudiced' if they were an ordinary person. If a person was saying things that were clearly prejudiced as part of a general belief system, (part of a political ideology) lets say.......that would more accurately be racist...... because their aim is to promote one group over another for the purposes of control of resources etc. You could say a council had a racist housing policy if the workers only gave properties to white people for example. That would be institutional racism.

You seem to like Youtube;):-

https://youtu.be/dw_mRaIHb-M?list=UU9OuQ7JsCMN9syoG_kS3pqA


http://sjwiki.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power#.WDk8RbKLS70

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3LOnQgAACAAJ&lr&source=gbs_book_other_versions

Moby

posh*spice wrote: »

why can't you be predudice agaist a dominant group? Just because you say so? You hate english people full stop. Obama hates european ameicans? That is truth?

Read what I said. You can be prejudiced against a dominant group. By the way I dont hate English people. You are just being stupid as usual.

Moby

veryintrigued wrote: »

Crikey its clearly strong stuff as well that Christmas sherry - go steady - you'll regret it in the morning.



I think whatever argument you were trying to put together you lost it right there......

Mate if you become 'very very intrigued' you may learn something;)

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

You can't be racist against a dominant group in society you plonker.

I'm merely suggesting that as you see yourself as a minority - Welsh. As a consequence you seem only to identify with other minority groups.

For Example.

Now white Welsh people are an ethnic minority

HEARD the one about the Government agency that treats white Welsh people as an ethnic minority?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/now-white-welsh-people-ethnic-2230283

OR

Cornish to be recognised as a national minority along with Scots, Welsh and Irish

Campaigners insist that, beyond its image as the motherland of the pasty and clotted cream, the county has a distinct language and culture worthy of formal recognition

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cornish-people-formally-declared-a-national-minority-along-with-scots-welsh-and-irish-9278725.html