If we vote for Brexit what happens

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

sadly you are total denial about the issues being discussed which is about how PC attitutes contributed to the child abuse issues in Rotherham, Oxford, Alyesbury, Bristol etc....

instead you try to suggest that confronting such problems is somehow related to returning to Victorian Britain along with racist views : this is EXACTLY the attitude that allowed these abuses to continue for so long.

No Clapton I was referring to your general view of the world...I'm not in denial because I actually work with victims of abuse......... but enlighten me how are you confronting these organised child abuse rings....I'm always willing to learn............

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

No Clapton I was referring to your general view of the world...

if you have examples of what you consider my general view of the world, then do feel free to say so : I don't suffer any concerns about your PC reluctance to confront unacceptable attitudes : just speak out, don't collude with the PC brigade

I'm not in denial because I actually work with victims of abuse......... but enlighten me how are you confronting these organised child abuse rings....I'm always willing to learn............

It is beyond belief (well not really) that you consider working with victims of abuse has any connection with organisational, systemic, institutional PC attitudes that failed the children of Rotherham, Aylesbury, Oxford, Bristol etc etc.
Many of the people in the organisation concerned, did indeed themselves work with abused people which makes their institutional attitudes even more reprehensible.
Sadly your pompous, self serving, arrogant, self righteous justification shows you completely miss the point.
I am not a policeman, social worker, local politician,school teacher, sport coach etc and donot routinely come into contact with people liable to abuse. However if such a situation arose, I hope I would ignore race, religion, class, sexual orientation etc in determining the correct course of action.

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

I've being thinking for a while that you seem to dislike English people.....particularly white English people...? I'm guessing this is because you are Welsh.

I actually think you are probably racist tbh.... :-D

You can't be racist against a dominant group in society you plonker. I think you meant I was 'prejudiced'. You see... racism is systemic prejudice with the added power to put prejudical views into practice because you are part of a dominant culture........ e.g in the UK white people can be racist but a black person can't because the black person is part of a minority group and doesn't have the power to enforce the discriminate distribution of resources. A black person can be prejudicial or bigoted though e.g Diane Abott.

It's not an 'English' thing either....Wales has them also....can I call them little Welshers or perhaps 'little Walesanders'?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

You can't be racist against a dominant group in society you plonker.

sadly an expected view from a leftie PC sort of person.

This sort of nonsense was inventd by the loonie left to excuse discrimination by minority groups.

racism is racism

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

You can't be racist against a dominant group in society you plonker. I think you meant I was 'prejudiced'. You see... racism is systemic prejudice with the added power to put prejudical views into practice because you are part of a dominant culture........ e.g in the UK white people can be racist but a black person can't because the black person is part of a minority group and doesn't have the power to enforce the discriminate distribution of resources. A black person can be prejudicial or bigoted though e.g Diane Abott.

It's not an 'English' thing either....Wales has them also....can I call them little Welshers or perhaps 'little Walesanders'?

You can't be racist against a dominant group in society you plonker.

Do you want a chance to retract that? If you delete yours I'll do you the courtesy of deleting the quote.

In fact, your post is terrible. Truly truly terrible.

Racism is a form of discrimination based on ethnicity, which implies that ones own race is somehow superior.

So when someone who is hetrosexual, male and white is offended by discriminatory comments made towards them by a different ethnic group denigrating them based on their ethnicity, it's not racism?

It has NOTHING to do with dominant culture, NOTHING!

I thought (in the Corbyn thread) we were merely trying to get across to you that a more egalitarian and free speech approach to the ills of society was better than political correctness. But you actually appear to believe this politically correct tripe if you think racism only affect minority groups.

That Diane Abbott is not racist when she says white's love to divide and rule, she's bigoted. As if bigotry is somehow lower on the social justice pyramid than racism.

Who taught you this absolute crap? The civil service? Education? Who is to blame?

gfplux

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Maybe you should, and open your eyes a little.
The link isn't about Sharia Law; it's an Israeli's view of the EU.
(Though Jock could have made clearer what the link actually is.)
Looks very much like you could do with it TBH.

An excerpt from the first para. as a taster:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/19816

Looks to me that the link should not have been opened.
Why would anyone take note of Comments by Israel about the EU.
This is all about Britain leaving the EU. We are not debating staying.

Or are we!

gfplux

Conrad wrote: »

Austerity you say. Had a client enquiry from a new migrant, not only on housing benefit and tax credits but they also get £1000 p month as thier son has autism, this is the sort of thing I see daily.

2 recent cases in the paper of huge payouts from the NHS, one was £20 million

£25 million per day on foreign aid

Endless enquiries, and people on my radio constantly calling for more. Billions spent on these annually

Hearing callers to LBC saying they are a aware of vast abuse around mobility motors.
Yup, reall tough austerity init

So all that will end when Britain leaves the EU!
It is a shame you have not directed all your efforts to telling everyone that British politicians have caused more problems than those you say have been caused by membership of the EU

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

It is beyond belief (well not really) that you consider working with victims of abuse has any connection with organisational, systemic, institutional PC attitudes that failed the children of Rotherham, Aylesbury, Oxford, Bristol etc etc.

You really have no idea what you are talking about do you! Of course there is a connection you plonker.....unless you are aware of the issues of abuse and the misuse of power you cannot address them and make a judgement about whether abuse was being ignored because of PC attitudes! We have a long way to go. The police failed to get this killer because of systemic prejudice against gay men:-
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/25/stephen-port-case-prompts-special-police-training-on-gay-chemsex

You only talk about the abuse rings above because the failure in these cases fits in with how you see the world i.e these examples provide you with an excuse for your hate. The issue is much wider than that however.....there are many victims of many different forms of institutional failure!

Many of the people in the organisation concerned, did indeed themselves work with abused people which makes their institutional attitudes even more reprehensible.

True....that's why we have training....but it's difficult to stand up against a dominant culture....and unless you've been there you don't know!

Sadly your pompous, self serving, arrogant, self righteous justification shows you completely miss the point.

I'm not justifying anything...I'm helping you through your ignorance....it's hard though;)

I am not a policeman, social worker, local politician,school teacher, sport coach etc and donot routinely come into contact with people liable to abuse.

Yep I can tell....

However if such a situation arose, I hope I would ignore race, religion, class, sexual orientation etc in determining the correct course of action

I should hope so to!

veryintrigued

Moby wrote: »

You can't be racist against a dominant group in society you plonker.

Yet another forumite who has cracked open the Christmas sherry a little too early!

gfplux

Conrad wrote: »

Call off Brexit, EU talks tough so we must throw in the towel and go back humbly to kiss the feet of the old men of Brussels..

Negotiation is just too scarey

I wish the negotiations would start. The end of March 2017 seems so far away.