If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Except when it comes to Brexit; you're adamant it can only be a glorious success.



Presumably a fairly serious case with one of the parents acting as full time carer. Should they be denied because they are foreign?

Plenty of locals on benefits too.

2 out of how many foreigners? For a £20m payout the NHS must have done something horribly, and presumably life changingly wrong.

Which helps solve the problems that cause all these immigrants to leave wherever they are coming from. If you want less foreigners clogging things up, you need foreign aid to keep them, well, foreign.

So where's all this austerity then, we spend vast eye watering sums every day?

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

Which helps solve the problems that cause all these immigrants to leave wherever they are coming from. If you want less foreigners clogging things up, you need foreign aid to keep them, well, foreign.

Tacit racism, you imply brown people are incapable of building good societies unless the great white missionary is overseeing things and getting involved.


Trillions of dollars in aid to Africa since 1950, how did that turn out?

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

Austerity you say. Had a client enquiry from a new migrant, not only on housing benefit and tax credits but they also get £1000 p month as thier son has autism, this is the sort of thing I see daily.

Child with a serious condition receives help from state....outrageous!

2 recent cases in the paper of huge payouts from the NHS, one was £20 million

£25 million per day on foreign aid

Endless enquiries, and people on my radio constantly calling for more. Billions spent on these annually

Hearing callers to LBC saying they are a aware of vast abuse around mobility motors.

The biggest abuse I see is small businesses not declaring all the money they make so that they pay less tax.

movilogo

President Erdogan: I will open gates for migrants to enter Europe if EU blocks membership talks

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/president-erdogan-turkey-eu-membership-migrants-refugees-europe-warning-a7438316.html

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

breaking news : politician makes money from lecture tour and TV appearances.
Moby shocked and distort as he/she has never heard of such a thing before but has led a very sheltered life.

....I thought Nige was a man of the people though.....he is as much part of the establishment as every other politician. His anti establishment stance is posturing! He has manipulated the ignorant and simple for his own ends.

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

Conrad wrote: »

Child with a serious condition receives help from state....outrageous!

Yes one of many reasons people come to the UK for instant money of large proportion.


I was not on this occasion questioning the validity of this, I was merely suggesting it's hardly austerity Britain - have you seen the money and resource that follows a child with diabetes, quite something, so again, hardly austeirty

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

....I thought Nige was a man of the people though.....he is as much part of the establishment as every other politician. His anti establishment stance is posturing!

you were rather foolish if you really believed that he wasn't partial to making money.
but then we have been discussing your refusal to accept reality in other areas of Uk life.

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

....I thought Nige was a man of the people though.....he is as much part of the establishment as every other politician. His anti establishment stance is posturing!

The establishment wanted everything left 'established', the nice EU protection and regulation racket that keeps out competition from inside and out, the imperious burecrats gravy train for the family Clegg and Kinnock, that sort of thing.


Nigel wanted a massive change to the established landscape

TrickyTree83

Ahh the BBC omitting key points from the French presidential debate

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38102512

Note the lack of what Fillon said about multiculturalism that actually has been reported elsewhere...

Does this mean Mr Fillon is a xenophobe? If so the probable choice for French citizens then appears to be between a xenophobe and another xenophobe.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3970726/The-second-French-revolution-Fillon-says-France-never-multicultural-warns-verge-revolt-vows-bring-radical-changes-society.html

https://www.rt.com/news/368131-fillon-wins-debate-juppe/

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-25/france-needs-someone-to-stop-le-pen

This goes back to what someone said about the BBC being a reliable source of news, I would temper that, whilst it's not 100% ridiculous and fake, it certainly distorts it to fit their own perspective it seems.

Conrad

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Ahh the BBC omitting key points from the French presidential debate

Here is a response quite typical of those under the Guardian article critical of the ALT Right news platforms;




jackrousseau despicablei 13h ago

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'I had the exact same experience after realizing the Guardian and several other left/center outlets censored info on another matter. Was debating a conservative friend that I like to think I normally get the better of, and he demolished me on this particular subject. It quickly became clear I was operating on incomplete facts and baseless innuendo (which is exactly what I often accuse my conservative friend of doing).


As a consequence, I added several conservative outlets like Reason, National Review, and Breitbart to the bookmarks bar...

The Cave Analogy is applicable. Once you expanded your reading outside the liberal bubble, you realize you've been ill-informed (akin to someone who only watches Fox News). And you invariably want to go back into the bubble to bring your friends who still dwell in the shadows out into the light. Unfortunately, most of my bubble-dwelling peers have reacted exactly as Plato predicted...'




https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/24/the-guardian-view-on-alt-right-news-no-good-story-to-tell