If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Statement of the bleeding obvious.

Much of the two years will be spent working out a timetable for future negotiations. It took 7 years for the Canadian deal to be concluded. Maybe we should expect it'll take less time than that because we start with a commonality of standards.

Project Lie predicted a sweet deal in short order and Project Fear 10 years of uncertainty. I know which one is currently looking the most likely.

I'm hoping we keep things pretty much as they are except we should leave the customs union just to test Project Lie's theory that there's a queue of nations just itching for a trade deal with the UK. Let's see how that goes before doing anything silly like compounding the !!!! up by cutting off our noses to spite our faces.

once again illustrating the dysfunctionality at the very heart of the EU : if the EU every had a army and was invaded, it would take them 7 years to hold a vote about fighting back.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

once again illustrating the dysfunctionality at the very heart of the EU : if the EU every had a army and was invaded, it would take them 7 years to hold a vote about fighting back.

It's only a negotiation to leave the EU and, hopefully, arrange a mutually beneficial trade deal. What's the rush? There aren't guns being held to anyone's head so the point about about the non-existent EU army is irrelevant.

The 2 year period is an entirely arbitrary construct.

setmefree2

Lithuania joined the European Union in 2004, and its population has since shrunk by more than 10 per cent, from 3.3 million to less than 2.9 million today. It is estimated that during that period 370,000 workers have relocated within the EU to benefit from higher wage levels and greater professional opportunities. The long-term structural problems caused by emigration are already beginning to have serious political repercussions.

The other Baltic States are also having to deal with the same phenomenon. In 1991, before the fall of the Soviet Union, Latvia had a population of 2.7 million. Today, it has shrunk to 1.9 million and by 2060 it is projected to be just 1.4 million. Someone who was born in Latvia in 1990 is projected to see their country’s population essentially halve during their lifetime. In Estonia, the population has dropped by nearly 20 per cent since the fall of the Berlin wall.

Falling populations are not isolated to small countries on the fringes of Europe. Within the EU Portugal, Italy, Poland, Spain, Hungary, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece and Romania are also having to battle to fund increasingly expensive healthcare and pension systems with shrinking workforces. Losing the young and talented has long term consequences for the economies and education systems migrants leave behind. “Brain drain” leads to skills shortages, which inhibit economic growth and further exacerbate emigration problems. When the moral case is made for high levels of immigration by those on the left of politics, the negative impact of mass emigration on the countries left behind always seems to be forgotten.

The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, may feel she needs to offer concessions on freedom of movement to pour cold water on the burgeoning populist movements across the EU. Domestically, she also faces growing pressure from the right-wing, Eurosceptic AfD as welfare tourism has become a significant political issue in Germany.

http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/11/stuart-gardner-do-events-in-lithuania-signal-the-end-for-freedom-of-movement.html

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

It's only a negotiation to leave the EU and, hopefully, arrange a mutually beneficial trade deal. What's the rush? There aren't guns being held to anyone's head so the point about about the non-existent EU army is irrelevant.

The 2 year period is an entirely arbitrary construct.

the 2 year period is an EU construction and if inappropriate shows how useless the EU is : the sooner we leave this dysfunctional outfit the better.

setmefree2

Jaguar Land Rover Ltd. said it intends to build electric cars in the U.K. if the government can overcome shortfalls in available energy and infrastructure investment, potentially giving Britain a manufacturing boost as it leaves the European Union.

Speth said he wants future electric models to be built in the U.K. while cautioning that current levels of power supply are insufficient to produce those cars. He also said the company would require mobile network investments that could help with the development of autonomous vehicles.
“We want to build our electric vehicles in the West Midlands, in the home of our design and engineering,” Speth said in a speech Thursday. “If we double the cars we can double the workforce.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-25/jaguar-land-rover-wants-to-build-electric-cars-in-post-eu-u-k

setmefree2

John Major has lost the plot.

Sir John Major warns against 'tyranny of the majority' applying to Brexit

The phrase refers to

The phrase "tyranny of the majority" (or "tyranny of the masses") is used in discussing an inherent weakness in the system of pure direct democracy and majority rule. Tyranny of the majority involves a scenario in which a majority of an electorate places its own interests above, and at the expense and to the detriment of, those in the minority, where by that detriment constitutes active oppression comparable to that of a tyrant or despot.[1]
Potentially, through tyranny of the majority, a disliked or unfavored ethnic, religious, political, or racial group may be deliberately targeted for oppression by the majority element acting through the democratic process.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/25/britons-could-pay-for-eu-citizenship-after-brexit-says-top-negotiator

There may be some hope yet!

Masomnia

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/25/britons-could-pay-for-eu-citizenship-after-brexit-says-top-negotiator

There may be some hope yet!

How much would you be willing to pay? Out of interest.

prosaver

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/25/britons-could-pay-for-eu-citizenship-after-brexit-says-top-negotiator

There may be some hope yet!

wouldnt work,
as soon as its going to happen, the remoaners will say..

''Why cant the EU people have citizenship of the UK.?''

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

I propose a Brexit tax.
Maybe an additional levy on council tax based on the referendum result per constituency?
Sort of a sliding scale with large increases in strong brexit voting areas, no increase in remain voting areas.

Hmm, then I too propose a tax:

Upon all those determined to remain in the EU at any cost and in particular those most vocal in their dislike of democracy, again perhaps on a sliding scale increasing as the actions of these who cause most delay and/or cost to the democratic wishes of the UK?

Since it increasingly appears that these anti-democracy remain supporters are the ones causing - or at least trying to cause - the most damage to the UK's economy despite evidence (so far at least) to the contrary.