If we vote for Brexit what happens

cogito

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/11/stuart-gardner-do-events-in-lithuania-signal-the-end-for-freedom-of-movement.html

People like Hamish consider unlimited immigration to be a good thing. I've kept posting about the problems highlighted in this article for months.

It was a justifiable criticism of the British Empire that we plundered the wealth of other countries. Isn't the EU doing the same thing but in a different way?

cogito

CLAPTON wrote: »

it was interesting to listen to the interview with Kenny: he said that he had had NO discussions with his european colleagues on the matter of brexit yet although one was scheduled for their next meeting.

So the issues arises is : is his opinion based on analysis and discussion or simply one politicians views based on his Irish electorate.

Interesting. I had heard from a reasonable source that the Irish government was acting as a go between between the UK and the EU. Maybe what Kenny means is that he personally has had no discussions.

The Irish position re the EU is certainly interesting. They stand to lose most from Brexit and are also at odds with the EU over corporation taxes. They have also recently become net contributors and the eye watering level of future contributions is causing a lot of consternation in Dublin. Of course, the fact that the UK contributes 14% of the EU budget and will presumably no longer be doing so after Brexit will only compound this.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

cogito wrote: »

Of course, the fact that the UK contributes 14% of the EU budget.

Why do you persist with such deliberate distortions of the truth?

The UK's net contribution last year was £6.5bn.

Out of an EU budget of €143bn.

That's nowhere near 14%.

Ballard

I still can't work out how following the law of the land and repealing a law through parliament rather than allowing our PM to sign article 50 without the official backing of parliament can be described as undemocratic.

If I was a Leave voter I'd want everything to be done completely by the book so as to completely rule out any possibility of a challenge later on in the process. To me it sounds moronic to demand that 'we get our democracy back' but then whinge when that same democracy delays things.

System

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Why do you persist with such deliberate distortions of the truth?

The UK's net contribution last year was £6.5bn.

Out of an EU budget of €143bn.

That's nowhere near 14%.

Wow that one was debunked before the referendum even happened. No excuse.

Sapphire

prosaver wrote: »

wouldnt work,
as soon as its going to happen, the remoaners will say..

''Why cant the EU people have citizenship of the UK.?''

Yes. Also, which country in the EU would be named on such a 'passport'? Would such 'EU passports' also be issued to nationals of other European countries?

The holding of such an 'EU passport' alone would surely not entitle the holder to enter the UK. So if any such 'EU passport/travel document' were issued, entry into Britain would of course still necessitate a British passport, or permission to work in Britain for a set period, as needed. I think also that the nationality of anyone coming to work in Britain from continental European countries must be known to the authorities – this should of course apply within other European countries, though of course it is up to them to sort this out for themselves.:cool:

Additionally, what would be the need for an extra 'EU passport', when all that would be needed would be permission to travel on a British passport for those that needed to travel to continental Europe? It was easy enough to do before (except to Iron Curtain countries), so not too sure why a Brit would need to apply for an 'EU passport' once Britain is not part of the EU.

CLAPTON

Ballard wrote: »

I still can't work out how following the law of the land and repealing a law through parliament rather than allowing our PM to sign article 50 without the official backing of parliament can be described as undemocratic.

If I was a Leave voter I'd want everything to be done completely by the book so as to completely rule out any possibility of a challenge later on in the process. To me it sounds moronic to demand that 'we get our democracy back' but then whinge when that same democracy delays things.

Whilst I agree there are good reasons for having a vote in parliament, we don't know if it is the law of the land until the supreme court make a ruling and maybe the European Court too.

You shouldn't confuse 'democracy ' with the 'law of the land' as much of the 'law' is made in Europe and not the UK parliament : something I assume you want changed as soon as possible.

antrobus

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Wow that one was debunked before the referendum even happened. No excuse.

Both FullFact and the BBC say the net contribution is about £8.5 billion.

Oddly enough, that's about the same amount of money that is 'contributed' to Scotland. Perhaps we should have a referendum on which one we should leave.:)

cogito

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Why do you persist with such deliberate distortions of the truth?

The UK's net contribution last year was £6.5bn.

Out of an EU budget of €143bn.

That's nowhere near 14%.

Sorry, Hamish. I was out by 1.43%. It was actually 12.57%.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/european-union-eu-budget-share-of-contributions/

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

cogito wrote: »

Sorry, Hamish. I was out by 1.43%. It was actually 12.57%.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/european-union-eu-budget-share-of-contributions/

Nope - still wrong.

Try again....