If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

wotsthat wrote: »

If I employed you to take the UK out of the EU why should I have to wait the best part of a year to find out your approach to issues like trade, immigration etc. And, given you work for me rather than the other way round why do you get to decide?

I think we need to remember who's paying the piper.

As I said in other posts. The team has taken time to assemble. People have been seconded from around the Civil Service. Not as if it's a dozen people. We are talking in the hundreds.

Trade for example will involve speaking to many various trade bodies. That's the basis from which policy will be ultimately formulated.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

ttip has been 7 years in discussion and we didn't get even yearly updates
but then they aren't working of you and me, were they

Quite, You're nobody and the UK government are treating you with the same disdain as the EU.

mrginge

Thrugelmir wrote: »

As I said in other posts. The team has taken time to assemble. People have been seconded from around the Civil Service. Not as if it's a dozen people. We are talking in the hundreds.

Trade for example will involve speaking to many various trade bodies. That's the basis from which policy will be ultimately formulated.

It's a bit embarrassing that supposedly intelligent people think that we could just just magic up all these strategies, personnel and structures.

I often spend more time planning projects than it actually takes to deliver the output.

If we get to end of Q1 and the government have got anywhere near having a fully formed team and plan then that in itself would be a major accomplishment.

Thrugelmir

mrginge wrote: »

If we get to end of Q1 and the government have got anywhere near having a fully formed team and plan then that in itself would be a major accomplishment.

At the very highest level our entire "management structure" has been seconded to the task. So all change.

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

It's a bit embarrassing that supposedly intelligent people think that we could just just magic up all these strategies, personnel and structures.

I'm a bit embarrassed that supposedly intelligent people think we should just blindly hand all decisions to a government when they've been given a mandate to implement only one.

There's a not so subtle difference between trust and blind unflinching faith.

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

We've not been told anything about the plan; not a thing; nothing let alone a daily update. Pretty sure you wouldn't accept this from your team at work.
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What do you know about the EU plan then?

You may remember them, the other party in these negotiations.

Michael Portillo made an interesting point the other week. He surmised that the negotations would involve 100 weeks of fannying around, and then all the thorny issues being worked out in the last week or two.

He might have a point.

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

What do you know about the EU plan then?

You may remember them, the other party in these negotiations.

Michael Portillo made an interesting point the other week. He surmised that the negotations would involve 100 weeks of fannying around, and then all the thorny issues being worked out in the last week or two.

He might have a point.

The EU will want the UK to leave but keep every single condition of EU membership. Unrealistic of course but I don't think their approach is really overly difficult to predict.

Plus I have zero influence over the EU plan so other than playing game theories I don't care. I do however have a (minuscule) impact on the UK approach so that's a better use of my attention span.

I suspect Portillo has a point too. All the more reason to get on with it - whatever the deadline it'll go to the wire. That's how we know the issues and politicians are really important.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

I'm a bit embarrassed that supposedly intelligent people think we should just blindly hand all decisions to a government when they've been given a mandate to implement only one.

There's a not so subtle difference between trust and blind unflinching faith.

you do that all the time expect on the election day that comes only every 5 years
that's the only day you are guaranteed to have an impact.
there is an election not later than 2020.

maybe we should have more frequenct referendum where we could exercise trust rather than unflinching faith

Thrugelmir

wotsthat wrote: »

The EU will want the UK to leave but keep every single condition of EU membership. U

Says who? The sovereign states sign off the deal not the "EU". With German and French elections next year who is going to be in power? Italian Government effectively faces a vote of confidence next month from the electorate. More elections to follow in 2018 across Europe. There's no certainty until the day for signing finally arrives.

mrginge

wotsthat wrote: »

I'm a bit embarrassed that supposedly intelligent people think we should just blindly hand all decisions to a government when they've been given a mandate to implement only one.

There's a not so subtle difference between trust and blind unflinching faith.

I'm sure your MP has been delighted to receive your never-ending letters demanding to know what they've been doing since you exercised your power to elect them.