If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

My MP isn't allowed to know what progress is being made with regard to Brexit.

Try asking your MEP instead?

Ah no, s/he won't know either, will s/he?
Since without first triggering the clause, the UK cannot negotiate any terms with the EU about its departure.

So what progress exactly do you think you ought to be informed of?
Since there can be absolutely no definite progress until negotiations actually commence.
Anything beforehand is therefore pure speculation.
Unless somehow you think otherwise?

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

he's not allowed to know what is in the autumn statement either : obviously I blame this on the last 40 years of EU shambles and incompetence and lack of democracy
once we are free, all future policies details will be available on line even before the ministers know anything about them

Irrelevant comparison.

A court has ruled parliament should debate and vote a motion to trigger article 50. The government are appealing because they don't want my MP to know what progress they are making.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Try asking your MEP instead?

Ah no, s/he won't know either, will s/he?
Since without first triggering the clause, the UK cannot negotiate any terms with the EU about its departure.

So what progress exactly do you think you ought to be informed of?
Since there can be absolutely no definite progress until negotiations actually commence.
Anything beforehand is therefore pure speculation.
Unless somehow you think otherwise?

I want to know what the government's basic approach will be. Nothing too detailed - an A4 piece of paper with 10 - 15 bullet points would do.

I'm not after a progress update regarding negotiations that haven't started yet - why would you think that?

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Irrelevant comparison.

A court has ruled parliament should debate and vote a motion to trigger article 50. The government are appealing because they don't want my MP to know what progress they are making.

if you really believe that I would suggest you take a few months off :

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

if you really believe that I would suggest you take a few months off :

And if you really believe there's a comparison between the autumn statement and article 50 maybe you should too.

mrginge

wotsthat wrote: »

My MP isn't allowed to know what progress is being made with regard to Brexit.

When you asked your MP for the details of Jeremy hunts proposed negotiation with the junior doctors, did they give you the same answer?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

I want to know what the government's basic approach will be. Nothing too detailed - an A4 piece of paper with 10 - 15 bullet points would do.

I'm not after a progress update regarding negotiations that haven't started yet - why would you think that?

The vote was to stay in the EU OR to leave the EU.
No list of conditions appeared on my ballot paper.
No mention was made regarding "the government's basic approach" at the time of the referendum.
As a consequence this approach must be decided.
And when Article50 is implemented the chances are that most of these items contained in the "basic approach" will be roundly ignored by those in power within the EU, no matter which direction is chosen.

Think of it as being like a child's Christmas list if you will?
Full of all the things a child really, REALLY wants Santa to bring for Christmas.
When the reality what the child will receive depends upon many factors - from what the parents and family are inclined to purchase and wrap to what finances or even space limitations will allow.

So you're asking for the unanswerable.
Since no matter what answer could be given, the outcome will certainly bear no resemblance to said answer.

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

When you asked your MP for the details of Jeremy hunts proposed negotiation with the junior doctors, did they give you the same answer?

I didn't ask but...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/junior-doctors-contract-offer-main-points/junior-doctors-contract-offer-main-points

PaulW1965

Originally Posted by Moby
what an embarrassement we are!

Speaking about yourself? When you find yourself on the side of the elites against the working classes you are probably on the wrong side brother.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The vote was to stay in the EU OR to leave the EU.
No list of conditions appeared on my ballot paper.
No mention was made regarding "the government's basic approach" at the time of the referendum.
As a consequence this approach must be decided.
And when Article50 is implemented the chances are that most of these items contained in the "basic approach" will be roundly ignored by those in power within the EU, no matter which direction is chosen.

Think of it as being like a child's Christmas list if you will?
Full of all the things a child really, REALLY wants Santa to bring for Christmas.
When the reality what the child will receive depends upon many factors - from what the parents and family are inclined to purchase and wrap to what finances or even space limitations will allow.

So you're asking for the unanswerable.
Since no matter what answer could be given, the outcome will certainly bear no resemblance to said answer.

You really think it's impossible for the government to give us a clue about what they'd like to achieve from future negotiations?

Would you really be content to know nothing about what Brexit means until the finished deal is presented to parliament in March 2019 or so?

You must really like surprises.