If we vote for Brexit what happens

Generali

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Doesn't require the "EU" in order to do this.

Freedom of movement makes it a lot easier. I couldn't have gone to the US or Aus on a whim and done the same. It would have taken planning and papers. Sheesh. I wouldn't have bothered with it. As it was I got on a ferry and then got the train to Paris.

cells

what happens to the many EU citizens that are already here if the vote is to leave the EU?

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

Freedom of movement makes it a lot easier. I couldn't have gone to the US or Aus on a whim and done the same. It would have taken planning and papers. Sheesh. I wouldn't have bothered with it. As it was I got on a ferry and then got the train to Paris.

but you did decide to go to Aug inspite of the utopia here

Generali

cells wrote: »

what happens to the many EU citizens that are already here if the vote is to leave the EU?

Nobody knows AFAICS. Ditto the Brits in Spain. Actually ditto me. I'm on an EU passport so I have no idea what my status would be post-Brexit.

michaels

And yet their seems to be loads of antipodeans working in the uk and I assume the reverse all without us ceding sovereignty to Australia - how can that be?

Sapphire

michaels wrote: »

And yet their seems to be loads of antipodeans working in the uk and I assume the reverse all without us ceding sovereignty to Australia - how can that be?

I can remember it was incredibly easy to travel when there were passport controls, if you had a British passport. Never encountered any problems or delays – in fact there were fewer delays because there wasn't a terrorist threat at the time.

I think, though, the EU will collapse under the weight of its own stupidity whether we vote to leave or not – it's just that I think that it's best to leave sooner rather than later, so that the impact will be less on us (e.g. cue bail-outs for failing economies, even more people coming here to escape poverty if borders are not closed, etc.). Time to remove ourselves from the suffocating stupidity and undemocratic political actions being forced on sovereign states by Germany. So I'm voting out. :T

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

its unlikely that anyone in the UK is fearful of a group of white christian european countries. It could be that many are fearful of dealing with people all over the world (most of whom aren't both white and christian)

Yes I have noticed the lack of racial prejudice in our country too.

The under thirties simply don't realise that their low wages are due to the flood of cheap labour migrating from europe
nor do they know enough about supply and demand, to know that the reason they can't afford a modest family home in the SE / London, is the 3 million migrants competing with them.

Probably not but I do not think that leaving the EU will help. You clearly think that the Conservatives will retain the employment protections inherent in EU law. You also think that the Conservatives will stop migration to drive up wages, no doubt based on the track record of Cameron in reducing non-EU migration.

and do remember a large majority of the UK 'elite' well educated
wanted to join the Euro

did you ever want to join the Euro?

Well fortunately Mr Brown held firm on that one. I would never favour joining the EURO. I remember the loan rates when Lawson took us into the ERM.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

And yet their seems to be loads of antipodeans working in the uk and I assume the reverse all without us ceding sovereignty to Australia - how can that be?

The difference is that you can just apply for a job in, say, France and then rock up to work on Monday morning.

To apply for a job in Aus and be able to take up the position (as a Brit not requiring a language test and assuming a 457 visa which is most common for skilled migrants such as chefs and plumbers and brain surgeons and further assuming you, the missus and 2 kids are going) you will need to:

1. Find an employer willing to sponsor you (at a cost of AU$7780)
2. Find £1,320 application fee
3. Prove you are:

• A UK passport holder
• Completed 5 years of secondary education in English
• Provide criminal records for all countries you lived in for the last 10 years
• Provide proof of education
• Provide proof of skills attainment (this will be further tested at a later date)
• Provide required biometric infomation

4. Then you will need to take a medical and get health insurance and declare that you will not take recourse to public funds while in Australia. Nor may you change to a new profession under your existing 457 visa

If your aim is to keep skilled people out of the country then I guess that the 457 system is pretty good. If your aim is to provide a flexible skilled workforce then the system is appalling.

We get plenty of unskilled migrants. Get into any cab in Sydney and 80% of the time it will be driven by a man with a foreign accent and no obvious skills, not even the ability to drive!

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Yes I have noticed the lack of racial prejudice in our country too.



Probably not but I do not think that leaving the EU will help. You clearly think that the Conservatives will retain the employment protections inherent in EU law. You also think that the Conservatives will stop migration to drive up wages, no doubt based on the track record of Cameron in reducing non-EU migration.



Well fortunately Mr Brown held firm on that one. I would never favour joining the EURO. I remember the loan rates when Lawson took us into the ERM.

It seems to be your position (like a lot of other people) is more driven by hatred of the Tories than any regard for the competence of the EU.
One could take the view that the UK politics can change while the continuing incompetence of the EU is a forgone conclusion.
Some, I suppose, can seek seek some comfort that the worse suffers of the EU dogma are the southern European countries (who seem to receive less sympathy than others for some reason.)
Anyway 10 out of 10 on being against the UK joining the Euro and 0 of 10 for not recognising the damage the Euro is continuing to do to all concerned.

mwpt

Generali wrote: »

The difference is that you can just apply for a job in, say, France and then rock up to work on Monday morning.

To apply for a job in Aus and be able to take up the position (as a Brit not requiring a language test and assuming a 457 visa which is most common for skilled migrants such as chefs and plumbers and brain surgeons and further assuming you, the missus and 2 kids are going) you will need to:

1. Find an employer willing to sponsor you (at a cost of AU$7780)
2. Find £1,320 application fee
3. Prove you are:

• A UK passport holder
• Completed 5 years of secondary education in English
• Provide criminal records for all countries you lived in for the last 10 years
• Provide proof of education
• Provide proof of skills attainment (this will be further tested at a later date)
• Provide required biometric infomation

4. Then you will need to take a medical and get health insurance and declare that you will not take recourse to public funds while in Australia. Nor may you change to a new profession under your existing 457 visa

If your aim is to keep skilled people out of the country then I guess that the 457 system is pretty good. If your aim is to provide a flexible skilled workforce then the system is appalling.

We get plenty of unskilled migrants. Get into any cab in Sydney and 80% of the time it will be driven by a man with a foreign accent and no obvious skills, not even the ability to drive!

Is the Australian way of life doing particularly poorly under such a repressive system?

(Note: friendly sarcasm)