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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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setmefree2 wrote: »TBH can't understand why he / she won't answer this question
No secret
I just assumed you were making a witty play on the name 'Clapton ' in Hackney London and my Forum name : simple as that but as you want to know, the answer is, no I don't live in London but know it very well and know that parts of Clapton are quite nice0 -
Interesting breakdown here of (possible) attitudes to Brexit.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/06/big-dividing-lines-eu-age-education-and-newspaper-/
DE social class favour Brexit by 53% to 47%, C2 by 54% to 46%. That's the working class for you. And which party is supposed to represent the working class?
It's the under thirties that I worry for.
On the one hand they're all moaning about being turned off by politics, suffering from reduced employment prospects and disenfranchised from society.
On the other hand they want to support an even more remote and unaccountable level of government, while also defending a business environment that promotes cheap imported labour and devalues training and development.0 -
Therefore a Brexit will result in higher haulage costs.
So we all need to add that to our list of results of a Brexit. This is a positive if you have a HGV driver in your household and a negative if you dont.
Until recently there was no charge for foreign HGVs to use UK roads, whereas I pay tolls and vignettes and buy boxes that calculate mileage in most foreign countries. The simplest way for the UK to charge for road usage would have been to limit the amount of fuel a truck has in its tanks on arrival in the UK, but that breached an EU law. It was only last year that a daily charge of £11.00 was brought in. So now the average loss of revenue to the Treasury is £445.00 a week. That is made up of loss of road fund, fuel duty and wear and tear. It doesn't include the loss of UK jobs.
On the other hand, if we gained back more than a little of lost international trade and/or couldn't easily employ E European drivers, the UK wouldn't have enough HGV drivers to replace them.0 -
It's the under thirties that I worry for.
On the one hand they're all moaning about being turned off by politics, suffering from reduced employment prospects and disenfranchised from society.
On the other hand they want to support an even more remote and unaccountable level of government, while also defending a business environment that promotes cheap imported labour and devalues training and development.
Maybe a less pejorative view is that the under 30s are thinking long term and the over 60s are thinking shorter term. The under 30s probably see their future in the EU, see the opportunities to study, live and work abroad as more important and are less fearful of people from other nations. Also they are less inclined to read newspapers.
The idea that better educated people see remaining as the best option should surprise nobody.
It may be that Cameron will regret not extending the franchise to 16-18s.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
The under 30s probably see their future in the EU, see the opportunities to study, live and work abroad as more important and are less fearful of people from other nations.
Has been a peaceful period of history for some decades. The future looks increasingly uncertain. As many people wish to enjoy the same standard of living as we do in the West.0 -
Maybe a less pejorative view is that the under 30s are thinking long term and the over 60s are thinking shorter term. The under 30s probably see their future in the EU, see the opportunities to study, live and work abroad as more important and are less fearful of people from other nations. Also they are less inclined to read newspapers.
The idea that better educated people see remaining as the best option should surprise nobody.
It may be that Cameron will regret not extending the franchise to 16-18s.
its unlikely that anyone in the UK is fearful of a group of white christian european countries. It could be that many are fearful of dealing with people all over the world (most of whom aren't both white and christian)
The under thirties simply don't realise that their low wages are due to the flood of cheap labour migrating from europe
nor do they know enough about supply and demand, to know that the reason they can't afford a modest family home in the SE / London, is the 3 million migrants competing with them.
and do remember a large majority of the UK 'elite' well educated
wanted to join the Euro
did you ever want to join the Euro?0 -
mayonnaise wrote: »
Exiting the EU would be a shame from a cultural POV. Plenty of friends when I was a student did a few months or a year at an EU university and I worked in France a couple of times in low paid jobs. It gave me an appreciation of a different viewpoint and of another way of life that has greatly enriched my life.0 -
Exiting the EU would be a shame from a cultural POV. Plenty of friends when I was a student did a few months or a year at an EU university and I worked in France a couple of times in low paid jobs. It gave me an appreciation of a different viewpoint and of another way of life that has greatly enriched my life.
the only reason that would stop is, if the french willed it.0 -
Exiting the EU would be a shame from a cultural POV. Plenty of friends when I was a student did a few months or a year at an EU university and I worked in France a couple of times in low paid jobs. It gave me an appreciation of a different viewpoint and of another way of life that has greatly enriched my life.
Doesn't require the "EU" in order to do this.0 -
Exiting the EU would be a shame from a cultural POV. Plenty of friends when I was a student did a few months or a year at an EU university and I worked in France a couple of times in low paid jobs. It gave me an appreciation of a different viewpoint and of another way of life that has greatly enriched my life.
I thought you were a baby who was very clever and use to sneak on daddy computer when he was at work?
(your avatar isnt you?)“Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself.”
― George Bernard Shaw0
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