If we vote for Brexit what happens

Generali

wymondham wrote: »

The relationship seems to be like a teenager who wont move out! David Cameron seems to be insecure, unsure of his and the countries worth and assumes we'll bomb if we go it alone...

I guess that's one view. I doubt it's one that most people that believe that the UK is better off in the EU than out would recognise.

antrobus

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I thought that it was the opposition parties that are in hiding.

Brexit holds no political boundaries as far as I am concerned. Surely a free vote for all.

Interesting breakdown here of (possible) attitudes to Brexit.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/06/big-dividing-lines-eu-age-education-and-newspaper-/

DE social class favour Brexit by 53% to 47%, C2 by 54% to 46%. That's the working class for you. And which party is supposed to represent the working class?

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

...which clearly leaves a lot of ambiguity and certainly doesn't mean 2 years from 'when'....

Article 50 is perfectly clear.

A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention...The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question....two years after the notification referred to

Perfectly sensible, if you ask me, You have a club, somebody tells you they want to leave, you don't want them hanging around in limbo for ever.

kabayiri

antrobus wrote: »

Interesting breakdown here of (possible) attitudes to Brexit.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/06/big-dividing-lines-eu-age-education-and-newspaper-/

DE social class favour Brexit by 53% to 47%, C2 by 54% to 46%. That's the working class for you. And which party is supposed to represent the working class?

I'm still surprised by the UKIP gains during the GE, particularly in the Labour heartlands like the NE.

Were these more protest votes more than pro-UKIP sentiment? I suspect some were.

If the EU referendum becomes conflated into a protest vote I would worry if I was running the status quo camp.

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

Article 50 is perfectly clear.

A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention...The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question....two years after the notification referred to

Perfectly sensible, if you ask me, You have a club, somebody tells you they want to leave, you don't want them hanging around in limbo for ever.

The key points are that there is plenty of time to ensure that Germany, France etc can still sell their products in the UK in a mutually beneficial manner and of course the EU & UK can extend the timescales if it is in their mutual best interest.

michaels

kabayiri wrote: »

I'm still surprised by the UKIP gains during the GE, particularly in the Labour heartlands like the NE.

Were these more protest votes more than pro-UKIP sentiment? I suspect some were.

If the EU referendum becomes conflated into a protest vote I would worry if I was running the status quo camp.

I just don't think the protest vote is big enough.

Cameron is pushing for a TV debate - not surprising as getting Fqarage and Galloway on a platform I am sure drives waiverers into the in camp.

Out needs to use dog-whistles, the the Farages, Galloways etc talking to their own communities to ensure the turnout but staying lower profile in the national debate to not put off moderates. They need a 'out equals many different things to different people' to suceed. I am concerned with no central organsiation and professional planning a 'disorganised rabble' for out will hand victory at a stroll to the establishment.

mayonnaise

antrobus wrote: »

Interesting breakdown here of (possible) attitudes to Brexit.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/06/big-dividing-lines-eu-age-education-and-newspaper-/

DE social class favour Brexit by 53% to 47%, C2 by 54% to 46%. That's the working class for you. And which party is supposed to represent the working class?

On the other hand, university graduates, a high-turnout group, are strongly pro-EU while those with fewest educational qualifications, who are more likely to stay at home, favour Brexit.

Better educated people are more likely to vote remain. No surprises there.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Better educated people are more likely to vote remain. No surprises there.

similar figures for those that favoured joining the Euro

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

Interesting breakdown here of (possible) attitudes to Brexit.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/01/06/big-dividing-lines-eu-age-education-and-newspaper-/

DE social class favour Brexit by 53% to 47%, C2 by 54% to 46%. That's the working class for you. And which party is supposed to represent the working class?

These days? UKIP I think.

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

The key points are that there is plenty of time to ensure that Germany, France etc can still sell their products in the UK in a mutually beneficial manner and of course the EU & UK can extend the timescales if it is in their mutual best interest.

The trouble is that the two year guillotine applies unless the "European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period". Thus it only needs one bl00dy minded Council member to put the kibosh on the extension.