If we vote for Brexit what happens

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Seems as if Labour is simply avoiding debating the issue. I'm assuming that to do so would alienate core support. As it's core support who will feel the full brunt of open immigration policy. Not those living in leafy suburbs.

I did say "relatively united" for a reason Ms Abbott did not seem too comfortable defending the party position on QT last week.

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

I would take the view that the treaty says .......

which clearly leaves a lot of ambiguity and certainly doesn't mean 2 years from 'when'

I agree but I the point of the wording is that everyone realises that the day after the referendum it would not make sense not to negotiate an agreement ((a) it is a breach of the Treaty we freely signed and (b) we would have no trade agreements with any nation and (c) the situation in so many areas would be confused). Negotiations by their nature take an indeterminate time to complete.

I'm sure the EU will do what it perceives in its own best interest: who knows, that may even mean they would not wish to create un-necessary unemployment for the own citizens.

I do admit that, give their appalling track record on the euro and their continuing mis-management of the euro, then nothing can be guaranteed.

They may take that view but the value of the goods and services the EU exports to UK is quite small compared to what we export to them. They might just decide that they will make up the shortfall in employment through the reducing inward investment to the UK from the rest of the world including the EU itself.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

I agree but I the point of the wording is that everyone realises that the day after the referendum it would not make sense not to negotiate an agreement ((a) it is a breach of the Treaty we freely signed and (b) we would have no trade agreements with any nation and (c) the situation in so many areas would be confused). Negotiations by their nature take an indeterminate time to complete.



They may take that view but the value of the goods and services the EU exports to UK is quite small compared to what we export to them. They might just decide that they will make up the shortfall in employment through the reducing inward investment to the UK from the rest of the world including the EU itself.

It is interesting to note that the G20 have expressed alarm at the prospect of the brexit and warned of a global economic shock.
Clearly they were referring to the possibility that the G19 would commit collective economic suicide by inappropriate actions, as clearly a puny little nation like us, couldn't possibly cause any such alarm on our own.
Personally I think it unlikely that the G19 would wish so much harm to their own people or the inevitable response by their electors.

Clearly, with the appalling track record of incompetent economic judgements like the euro, response to GFC , the handling of Greece and the continuing incompetence to deal with high EU unemployment, it is possible they may behave irrationally.
If that is your assesment of the EU when I fail to see why you want to be a member of such a dysfunctional organision.

So yes, you may be right, they may wish to harm the electors of the EU countries rather than seek best advantage for their electors but I think otherwise.

Rinoa

A bleak warning that a British exit from the EU would deliver a shock to the global economy was introduced into the formal communique of the G20 finance ministers in Shanghai after lobbying by the UK, according to diplomatic sources.
The warning by the G20 was seized on by George Osborne who said his fellow finance ministers had “given their unanimous verdict that a British exit from the EU would be a shock to the world economy”.
British officials said the warning about a UK exit was raised by the Chinese before the Shanghai meeting. But a diplomatic source from another G20 country challenged the Treasury account and said UK officials had proposed the Brexit warning in meetings in Shanghai before the chancellor arrived. The wording was then proposed by British officials.
The diplomatic source told the Guardian: “It was the British delegation who raised the issue both in drafting session and at ministerial level, and also them who proposed the wording for the communique.”

Did anyone really believe it was the G20 who instigated the communique?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/28/uk-officials-instigated-g20-brexit-warning-diplomatic-source-says-shanghai-george-osborne

wymondham

What amuses me is we have a PM and his team who are 'in power', who seem to be afraid to be 'in power' and hide in the EU.....

Generali

wymondham wrote: »

What amuses me is we have a PM and his team who are 'in power', who seem to be afraid to be 'in power' and hide in the EU.....

In what way is that?

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

In what way is that?

probably doesn't know what sort of bananas it's safe to eat.

Thrugelmir

Generali wrote: »

In what way is that?

I thought that it was the opposition parties that are in hiding.

Brexit holds no political boundaries as far as I am concerned. Surely a free vote for all.

wotsthat

I'm going to suggest our rugby club leaves the RFU - it's a sign of weakness to stay and work with other like minded clubs.

wymondham

Generali wrote: »

In what way is that?

The relationship seems to be like a teenager who wont move out! David Cameron seems to be insecure, unsure of his and the countries worth and assumes we'll bomb if we go it alone...