If we vote for Brexit what happens

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

How can the MP's represent the abstentions? Please explain that to me.

In the same way they represent their constituents on issues which haven't been subject to a referendum.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

In the same way they represent their constituents on issues which haven't been subject to a referendum.

By doing what they think is best, they won't have asked their constituents who abstained. I'll guarantee my local MP won't be asking the people who didn't vote how they would have voted to accurately gauge public opinion.

It doesn't work that way.

The abstentions don't count, they will never count. Which is why they are not counted.

If MP's represent the wishes of their constituents then they'll reflect what the result of the referendum was. If they don't reflect the will of their constituents from June 23rd, they would be interpreting the result themselves.

ruggedtoast

Until today I was almost starting to feel bad about calling Brexitards, Brexitards.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/04/enemies-of-the-people-british-newspapers-react-judges-brexit-ruling

But, no. Jesus what a bunch. If you actually did vote Leave, and don't now regret it, how can you look at this right wing invective and not feel ashamed?

movilogo

Parliament already approved having referendum. Govt leaflet said govt would implement whatever public wanted. Why change of tone now?

3 judges (one being very pro-EU) is overriding wish of 17 million people.

There is a good reason for public anger.

mayonnaise

movilogo wrote: »

3 judges (one being very pro-EU) is overriding wish of 17 million people.

And one of them is even openly gay! OMG!

ruggedtoast

movilogo wrote: »

Parliament already approved having referendum. Govt leaflet said govt would implement whatever public wanted. Why change of tone now?

3 judges (one being very pro-EU) is overriding wish of 17 million people.

There is a good reason for public anger.

And now Parliament is going to vote on what the people want. You should be pleased. You are all screaming about Parliament not having a say in your lives because of the EU (though none of you seem to be able to point to a single instance were this has affected you), and now they are having a say.

You voted to leave the EU, I didn't. Neither of us voted against immigration, free movement from the EU, or leaving the single market.

Now your "side" will have to make a case for what kind of separation we are going to have.

Personally I think that if we must leave so that Brexiters can feel delighted that they are being ruled by the Queen again, rather than by a parliament in a small country few of them could find on a map, then OK. But if they think they are going to separate us from the single market or stop our young people freely travelling, working and living in the EU then they are going to have no small amount of opposition.

beecher2

mayonnaise wrote: »

And one of them is even openly gay! OMG!

Liked this

https://twitter.com/jessbrammar/status/794479130117046276

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

If that were the case why did they not go round asking the 59% who didn't bother to vote in the Alternative Vote referendum in 2011? Because that's not how it works. The referendum is the result, the abstentions as you quite rightly put it, count for nothing in that context during and after the vote.

I don't think the repeal of the alternative voting act went through parliament so there was no need. Wasn't there a decisive win for one side as well. That makes it easier for an MP to form a view of what his constituents want but, if he's any good, he should still be considering the 59% who didn't vote and wondering why.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

End of story. Representing Leave as 37% is misleading because the abstentions were not reluctant remainers or reluctant leavers, they simply do not count.

It's just maths. If it was 60% of a 100% turnout it still wouldn't be the end of the story - just a different, more compelling one.

We're noting the limits of referenda asking binary questions in a representative democracy.

ruggedtoast

mayonnaise wrote: »

And one of them is even openly gay! OMG!

The Mail seems to be suggesting that he was openly gay while fencing too. No mean feat with the mask on.

Maybe he had a theatrical gait, or flounced off when he lost, or any other such !!!!!exual stereotypes espoused by bigoted small minded idiots whose homophobia oddly seems to go hand in hand with voting for right wing political movements.

beecher2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Now your "side" will have to make a case for what kind of separation we are going to have.
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Agree with much that you say, but they will have to make a case for the kind of separation they want us to have. They could say they want access to the single market and the EU could say 'in that case you need to have free movement of people'.