If we vote for Brexit what happens

beecher2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I'm sorry you don't like being told you're wrong.

It's not just me, it's the establishment, law, the judiciary, nearly everyone you speak to will tell you Leave had a majority because abstentions delegate their responsibility on the day and therefore do not count in the result and don't count after the fact.

If you can find an official representation of the result that displays Leave at 37% I'll concede, but I will not be told I'm wrong or a fool by people who are clearly incorrect.

One last post until someone tells me how to block you. I'm agreeing with you. I believe that those who do not vote, do not count. I am able to see the hypocrisy in some of your posts on Scotland though as you claim to know the intent of voters here and think it taints the results. And with that, I give up.

StevieJ

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

So it's an opinion then rather than a fact, that on June 23rd they gave up the right to be heard on the EU referendum by abstaining. And as such the result is calculated by ignoring abstentions.

This is getting really silly now. People are ignoring reality. What I'm describing is how the votes are actually counted. Not my own personal interpretation.

Maybe we can find the reality, we could have another vote, one that is binding on The Executive and Parliament this time.😊

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

One last post until someone tells me how to block you. I'm agreeing with you. I believe that those who do not vote, do not count. I am able to see the hypocrisy in some of your posts on Scotland though as you claim to know the intent of voters here and think it taints the results. And with that, I give up.

So the articles that reported the SNP urging people to vote remain for independence, and the official SNP webpage saying vote remain with independence in mind don't taint the remain result in Scotland?

Block me, if you can't handle evidence and reason.

TrickyTree83

StevieJ wrote: »

Maybe we can find the reality, we could have another vote, one that is binding on The Executive and Parliament this time.😊

If that happened, and the turnout was 50%, and the result was 52% remain and 48% leave, what would the result be?

MobileSaver

MobileSaver wrote: »

make a decision that reflects the wishes of the 63% of the electorate who did not vote to leave the EU as well as the 37% who did.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The wishes of 63% is it now?

beecher2 wrote: »

If we go down this road, we assume that everyone who didn't vote, backed Remain

Hmm, people are reading more into this comment than I intended. For the avoidance of doubt I was not implying that 63% wanted to Remain, simply that MPs will consider the wishes of 100% of the electorate when making decisions, not just the 37% who voted Leave.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I'm sorry you don't like being told you're wrong.

It's not just me, it's the establishment, law, the judiciary, nearly everyone you speak to will tell you Leave had a majority because abstentions delegate their responsibility on the day and therefore do not count in the result and don't count after the fact.

If you can find an official representation of the result that displays Leave at 37% I'll concede, but I will not be told I'm wrong or a fool by people who are clearly incorrect.

See, this is exactly a case in point. I read exactly the first line of this and then ignored the rest. I have absolutely no idea what he is saying. He could be giving away free oil changes for all I know.

On the occasion he ever says anything that isn't cobblers it'll be evident at the beginning and you can carry on reading.

:money:

TrickyTree83

MobileSaver wrote: »

Hmm, people are reading more into this comment than I intended. For the avoidance of doubt I was not implying that 63% wanted to Remain, simply that MPs will consider the wishes of 100% of the electorate when making decisions, not just the 37% who voted Leave.

Which has already been expressed in the referendum.

How can the MP's represent the abstentions? Please explain that to me.

beecher2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

See, this is exactly a case in point. I read exactly the first line of this and then ignored the rest. I have absolutely no idea what he is saying. He could be giving away free oil changes for all I know.

On the occasion he ever says anything that isn't cobblers it'll be evident at the beginning and you can carry on reading.

:money:

Good idea.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

See, this is exactly a case in point. I read exactly the first line of this and then ignored the rest. I have absolutely no idea what he is saying. He could be giving away free oil changes for all I know.

On the occasion he ever says anything that isn't cobblers it'll be evident at the beginning and you can carry on reading.

:money:

Subverting the statistics to present a point of view that supports your narrative doesn't make the statistics, or the narrative correct.

If the abstentions counted, we'd need to go back and ask them what they thought, leave or remain. But they don't count, we don't ask them, so using them after the fact is misleading.

For example, because we don't ask them what they think, you cannot possibly know whether they are all for leave, all for remain, split on the issue, you simply do not and will never know unless another referendum is held and it's a 100% turnout.

Therefore the percentage of abstentions, who forfeited their vote and delegated the matter to those who did turn out to vote is removed from the calculation of the overall result for the electorate.

Some on here just don't seem to understand how referenda work and I get hounded for trying to explain it.

beecher2

MobileSaver wrote: »

Hmm, people are reading more into this comment than I intended. For the avoidance of doubt I was not implying that 63% wanted to Remain, simply that MPs will consider the wishes of 100% of the electorate when making decisions, not just the 37% who voted Leave.

Fair enough, don't know how they will judge that though. If someone's not engaged enough to vote in a referendum, they probably won't contact their MP either. Many people just truly don't care so they have no wishes to consider.