If we vote for Brexit what happens

beecher2

No TrickyTree, I don't even think people who don't vote should be counted. I am trying to point out the flaw in your argument. Leaving it there though, have learned that you never see other people's point of view.

beecher2

What would happen if MPs pressed for an amendment saying that Britain must stay part of the single market? I can see that happening, and the EU saying that the other three freedoms would have to remain to allow that to happen. It is a huge almighty mess, whatever happens.

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

No TrickyTree, I don't even think people who don't vote should be counted. I am trying to point out the flaw in your argument. Leaving it there though, have learned that you never see other people's point of view.

Find an official report of the result that displays the percentage of the Leave vote as 37%.

Find an official report of the Scottish parliament election that represents the result for the SNP on the day as 25%.

In both cases - you won't find it, because it's now how it works.

Abstentions forfeit their right to be heard on the day, and consequently are NOT tallied in the results.

MobileSaver

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Representing it as 37% is misleading.

No, it is not, it is an indisputable fact:

37% of the electorate voted to leave the EU
35% of the electorate voted to remain in the EU

Simple facts, nothing misleading, no interpretations.

The only ones trying to mislead are you and your ilk who are horrified that our elected MPs (the very ones you wanted to give such powers back to!) now have to make a decision that reflects the wishes of the 63% of the electorate who did not vote to leave the EU as well as the 37% who did.

ruggedtoast

beecher2 wrote: »

I find the Daily Mail and Daily Express front pages quite disturbing this morning. Calling judges 'enemies of the people' is really chilling.

Yes. Here's the line from the Daily Scum.

MPs last night tore into three 'out of touch' judges for ruling that embittered Remainers in Parliament should be allowed to frustrate the verdict of the British public.

Firstly. The judges are just interpreting the law as it exists. The same as the law is interpreted for vagrancy and immigration and other things that Mail readers hate.

Secondly, the will of almost half the public wants nothing to do with Brexit.

When people like Jo Cox are murderd by nuts, it's the fault of a££holes like people who write for the Mail that are the cause.

Irresponsible journalism of the highest order.

TrickyTree83

MobileSaver wrote: »

No, it is not, it is an indisputable fact:

37% of the electorate voted to leave the EU
35% of the electorate voted to remain in the EU

Simple facts, nothing misleading, no interpretations.

The only ones trying to mislead are you and your ilk who are horrified that our elected MPs (the very ones you wanted to give such powers back to!) now have to make a decision that reflects the wishes of the 63% of the electorate who did not vote to leave the EU as well as the 37% who did.

Sorry but that's rubbish.

I've gone on record on these forums about being completely ok with the ruling yesterday as long as MP's follow the result in general or at a minimum the result of their constituency. Try again.

The wishes of 63% is it now? The abstentions count for remain votes in your twisted view of the referendum?

Jog on.

Here, the same task as beecher2 has:

Find an official report of the result that displays the percentage of the Leave vote as 37%.

beecher2

MobileSaver wrote: »

No, it is not, it is an indisputable fact:

37% of the electorate voted to leave the EU
35% of the electorate voted to remain in the EU

Simple facts, nothing misleading, no interpretations.

The only ones trying to mislead are you and your ilk who are horrified that our elected MPs (the very ones you wanted to give such powers back to!) now have to make a decision that reflects the wishes of the 63% of the electorate who did not vote to leave the EU as well as the 37% who did.

It is a fact, but what percentage of the electorate voted tory?

If we go down this road, we assume that everyone who didn't vote, backed Remain and I think that's dangerous. Many simply didn't care and have lost their right to a voice by not voting.

beecher2

Sorry for being off topic, but is it possible to block people on here. Just can't stand another thread where Tricky says the same thing over and over again.

ruggedtoast

beecher2 wrote: »

Sorry for being off topic, but is it possible to block people on here. Just can't stand another thread where Tricky says the same thing over and over again.

Why bother. I just scroll through it. I mostly do that with Clapton too.

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

Sorry for being off topic, but is it possible to block people on here. Just can't stand another thread where Tricky says the same thing over and over again.

I'm sorry you don't like being told you're wrong.

It's not just me, it's the establishment, law, the judiciary, nearly everyone you speak to will tell you Leave had a majority because abstentions delegate their responsibility on the day and therefore do not count in the result and don't count after the fact.

If you can find an official representation of the result that displays Leave at 37% I'll concede, but I will not be told I'm wrong or a fool by people who are clearly incorrect.