If we vote for Brexit what happens

Masomnia

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Tory majority looking to being slashed to just 8.

May could very well lose a Brexit vote in Parliament which would force a GE. Except her own party are now leaning on her to just call a GE now.

Which the Tories could very well lose. That would leave a Lab, Lib Dem, SNP hung parliament which would mean by next Spring JEREMY CORBYN COULD BE PRIME MINISTER

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OMG its just too funny. To say the Tories keep sabotaging themselves over Europe doesn't even cover it.

OMG, the Brexiteer reaction. Vote Leave, win, get Jeremy Corbyn.

Ahahahahahahaha haaa haa ahahahah!

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Get a grip.

Tammykitty

I accept the judgment of the court (although hope it gets overturned on appeal to speed the process up)


A vote for regaining sovereignty, was not a vote for parliamentary sovereignty, it was a vote for national sovereignty.


The people of the nation have spoken via a referendum - a referendum is the purest form of democracy, every single voter has an equal say.


The queen uses royal prerogative to appoint the prime minister based on the vote of the people, so it is not entirely unreasonable to suggest royal prerogative could be used in this case, to abide by the wishes of the people.


However, in saying all the above, a parliamentary vote is not the end of Brexit, MP's will vote for Brexit (or they won't be MP's after the next election)


The reason for the lack of debate on the method of Brexit is that if it was debated in parliament, then it is public information, and who wants to go into negotiations with the other party knowing the minimum you will accept?
We don't want negotiations with the EU to be a failure - everyone wants the most favourable terms possible

Herzlos

Masomnia wrote: »

I do think it was brought up to frustrate the process and I can understand why people are annoyed by it and feel cheated.

I think it was done to ensure the process was followed legally, and the decision was made in a considered way.

No-one actually wants May to just trigger A50 and perform a mike drop, surely?

I can see it looking like an attempt to prevent Brexit, by those that value Brexit above the details and just want out with no regards to the consequences. But for everyone else, we want Brexit to be done properly.

To be fair, I'd be over the moon if parliament rejected Brexit, I think it's the stupidest thing we've tried to do in decades, but if it's going ahead, I want it to be done in a rational manner by someone other than May, Johnson and Davis, who haven't shown any competency or plan between them yet.

Herzlos

Tammykitty wrote: »

who wants to go into negotiations with the other party knowing the minimum you will accept?

May should, because it'll knock years of the negotiation process, and that's what we're going to get, anyway. She's going to be playing hard-ball with negotiators that can outclass her at every step and are holding all the cards.

I'll be surprised if the UK gets any say beyond which of 2/3 options the EU gives us we want to take.

StevieJ

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

If that happened, and the turnout was 50%, and the result was 52% remain and 48% leave, what would the result be?

Totally accept the result whatever it is. At least people would now be more aware of many of the lies put out by both sides, in addition the effect of their abstentions (are you listening 18-30 year olds), including those students who were effectively barred by holding elections and referendum so close together in and out of term time. I would also like to see 16-18 year olds included as well, like the Scottish referendum.
I can see why the Brexiteers wouldn't be happy with more peoples democracy

Conrad

The resigning MP's constituency has a massive Tory majority. If anything this is good news for May as she can install anyone of her choosing in this area that voted for leave. UKIP will have a field day with Labour.

beecher2

Tammykitty wrote: »

The reason for the lack of debate on the method of Brexit is that if it was debated in parliament, then it is public information, and who wants to go into negotiations with the other party knowing the minimum you will accept?

It isn't really a case of the minimum they will accept, as the EU are under no obligation to accede to any ultimatum so I hope they are realistic about what they will achieve.

Conrad

StevieJ wrote: »

Totally accept the result whatever it is. At least people would now be more aware of many of the lies put out by both sides, in addition the effect of their abstentions (are you listening 18-30 year olds), including those students who were effectively barred by holding elections and referendum so close together in and out of term time. I would also like to see 16-18 year olds included as well, like the Scottish referendum.
I can see why the Brexiteers wouldn't be happy with more peoples democracy

And what would Remain campaign on this time, given project fear is wholly discredited?


Leave have;


+ a positive global trading vision


+ saving a net £28 million per day



+ winning back full sovereignty


+ Taking our own seat at the global tables - agenda setting - often handing down rules to the EU

+ the persuasive argument the EU will not deliberately hamper its own trade and thus harm its own citizens


+ The FACT the US, Japan and others trade huge volumes of services and goods in Europe, with NO trade deal, let alone the one we would get


+ The FACT Canada will get free trade deal with no loss of sovereignty, AND note we are already fully aligned, so it would not take anything like 7 years, and in the meantime trade carries on as is


+The FACT dozens of foreign companies have chosen to invest in the UK post the referendum


+ Managed immigration


What will Remain campaign on next time?

CLAPTON

the is no provision in the triggering of Article 50 for the UK to specify anything other than that we are leaving

the terms and conditions negotiation come afterwards

The only reason for a parliamentary debate is for forms sake or to prevent brexit : however if the appearance of parliamentary democracy is best served by a vote, then let that be so. The sooner the better.

Tammykitty

The EU has blocked a rescue package on the Belfast to Newark flight, so it will be axed on 9th Jan


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37834823


The sooner Brexit happens the better!