If we vote for Brexit what happens

wotsthat

setmefree2 wrote: »

On offer in M & S - 25% off 6 bottles. (As is Camden Hells)

I think we can take it as proven that we'll still be able to get our hands on alcohol after Brexit. I don't think Marks ans Spencer's need worry about keeping up with demand though.

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Ever been to Ukraine?

That's definitely a form of poverty in my opinion.

I haven't visited the Ukraine, but I certainly agree that there are completely different scales of poor, and that in the grand scheme of things our poor aren't that hard done by. This is more a retort to Conrads repeated claims that food prices in the UK going up is good, because people should just "eat less" and the poor are entirely to blame for their poor diets.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

......completely failing to see that such policies are Labour policies.....can't you see the irony of your own position!

Err Labour have no policies! Can't you see the irony of your position!

Labour statements issued by Jeremy Corbyn and his shadow chancellor John McDonnell on the subject have so far been vague to the point of utter meaninglessness. Platitudes about wanting "the fullest possible access to the single market," (who doesn't?) have been combined with other general statements about "respecting" the result of the referendum and "understanding" people's concerns about immigration.

Yet when it comes to setting out even the broadest outline of the sort of trade deal and immigration policies that Labour would like, there have so far been few, if any, real answers.

No doubt, the conflict between an overwhelmingly middle class and liberal membership, and a core electorate consisting of large numbers of Leave-voting, white working class voters, has put Labour into a difficult position. As a result, Labour seem highly reluctant to say anything that may alienate one side or another and are determined to stick to what they describe as "high level principles" about Brexit.

Maintaining that position may prove to be impossible, given the growing calls within the party to do something on immigration. Corbyn has so far resisted such calls, saying only that more must be done to help those areas affected by high levels of migration.

People in glass houses and all that.....

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

rather summarises what is wrong with the under class

The "under class"?

You have got some brass neck.

mayonnaise

JD Wetherspoon chairman Tim Martin has said his pub chain could stop selling European drinks brands unless EU leaders stop “bullying” Britain.

Yes, I suppose he could sell Meantime Ale, Sussex sparkling wines, Cornwall Tea and Korev lager instead. With a complimentary bowl of Welsh Black Butter of course. :rotfl:

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

I haven't visited the Ukraine, but I certainly agree that there are completely different scales of poor, and that in the grand scheme of things our poor aren't that hard done by. This is more a retort to Conrads repeated claims that food prices in the UK going up is good, because people should just "eat less" and the poor are entirely to blame for their poor diets.

I'll agree on the differing scales of 'poor' across disparate economies. However Conrad does have a point regarding diet. There are numerous TV shows about the subject too. There are very few obese people in Ukraine, but no one appears to starve.

If we have children who are obese living at an address with no adults in employment - something is wrong with the system. This is why I don't believe we should be dishing out money to support these people. We should be giving them food vouchers that can only be used to purchase certain foods. If you're going to dine out on other peoples dime then you'll eat healthily, no option. I believe a voucher system would be far more effective for all benefit 'payments'. I would also expect a black market to evolve around them but counter measures could be taken.

ruggedtoast

setmefree2 wrote: »

Err Labour have no policies! Can't you see the irony of your position!

Labour statements issued by Jeremy Corbyn and his shadow chancellor John McDonnell on the subject have so far been vague to the point of utter meaninglessness. Platitudes about wanting "the fullest possible access to the single market," (who doesn't?) have been combined with other general statements about "respecting" the result of the referendum and "understanding" people's concerns about immigration.

Yet when it comes to setting out even the broadest outline of the sort of trade deal and immigration policies that Labour would like, there have so far been few, if any, real answers.

No doubt, the conflict between an overwhelmingly middle class and liberal membership, and a core electorate consisting of large numbers of Leave-voting, white working class voters, has put Labour into a difficult position. As a result, Labour seem highly reluctant to say anything that may alienate one side or another and are determined to stick to what they describe as "high level principles" about Brexit.

Maintaining that position may prove to be impossible, given the growing calls within the party to do something on immigration. Corbyn has so far resisted such calls, saying only that more must be done to help those areas affected by high levels of migration.

People in glass houses and all that.....

Sounds like they have more of a clue than the "Brexit means Brexit" Tory Party then.

So far Brexit means naming and shaming companies who hire people from overseas, until it doesnt; deporting people who are here legally, until it doesn't, staying in the single market, and leaving it, having a hard border, which is completely open for people entering via Ireland, telling doctors they'll have to work 15 hours more a week, and backing down.

Yeah, Brexit means Brexit alright. If Brexit is code for "A bunch of xenophobic idiots who don't have the faintest idea what they are doing."

setmefree2

The latest on the court case

On Thursday at 10 a.m., three senior judges will publish their decision on whether Prime Minister Theresa May can begin Britain’s exit from the European Union without permission from Parliament. Defeat for May would mean her fellow lawmakers, who were were overwhelmingly pro-EU before the June 23 referendum, get to vote on her plan before she triggers Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty by the end of March. With a slim majority in the House of Commons and none in the House of Lords, the process could be delayed by more than a year as lawmakers squabble over the details.

The losing side will appeal to the Supreme Court for a final ruling. Lawyers seeking to block May’s plan are expecting a two-day hearing to take place on or around Dec. 8. Supreme Court judges

Rulings tend to be given by a majority verdict in about 12 weeks. In this case, the parties are hoping to have a decision before the end of January.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-02/what-s-at-stake-in-the-brexit-court-ruling-quicktake-q-a

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yeah, Brexit means Brexit alright. If Brexit is code for "A bunch of xenophobic idiots who don't have the faintest idea what they are doing."

is that the same as people like you, who voted NOT to trade with black africa or allow immigration on the same basis as white christian european countries?

setmefree2

An Irish official has been appointed to the European Commission’s Brexit negotiating team in Brussels as the European Union steps up preparations for Britain’s exit.
Irish man Tadhg O’Briain is to join the commission’s Brexit taskforce led by former EU commissioner Michel Barnier.
Mr O’Briain will join a team of more than a dozen people who will be at the forefront of the EU’s negotiations with Britain.
The appointment of an Irish national is a significant development for Ireland and follows behind-the-scene efforts by the Government to secure an Irish representative on the team.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/irish-official-to-join-european-commission-brexit-taskforce-1.2851981