If we vote for Brexit what happens

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

We could not go on wracking up debt and tossing money out of the country on imports, do you understand this?


Do you understand that was not sustainable, that the Germans thought our growth 'illusory' as it was based on debt and importing, rather than production in return for HARD CURRENCY?


Far too many of our workers have a bad lot due to this unproductive shopping economy.

You are so unbelievable mate! prior to brexit you were extolling the virtues of the free market. In case you hadn't noticed we have been destroying our industrial infrastructure for years and depending on a service economy for growth......you didn't care about the workers then....you saw them as complainypants bosheviks. Now we are clearly heading towards a far more interventionist govmt you say it was always going to come and what's more you like it.......completely failing to see that such policies are Labour policies.....can't you see the irony of your own position!

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

You are so unbelievable mate! prior to brexit you were extolling the virtues of the free market. In case you hadn't noticed we have been destroying our industrial infrastructure for years and depending on a service economy for growth......you didn't care about the workers then....you saw them as complainypants bosheviks. Now we are clearly heading towards a far more interventionist govmt you say it was always going to come and what's more you like it.......completely failing to see that such policies are Labour policies.....can't you see the irony of your own position!

I've been concerned about the unbalanced economy and trade deficit for years.

I feel Cameron and Osborne's attempts at industrial policy were poor, looking back.


I find it ironic you dismiss the great economic rebalancing thanks in part to BOE lead devaluation (markets knew we would cut interest rates and print money to ease us through brexit)



We all need to start supporting British pork and butter for example in stead of Lurpak and Danepak - imports. We are making changes to our weekly shopping - in fact its really focused my mind. Why on earth were we buying French yoghurts and butter - I was simply not paying attention. Found a nice welsh black butter this week.


A modicum of temporary inflation is the cost for a fundamental rebalancing of the economy to benefit us all. Go to any 'poor' town and you see a mass of takeaways and plenty of over weight people. I'm sure most of us could cut down on 2 or 3% of our food intake in order to loose bit of fat, thus food price rises need not be a negative for the bulk of us. My old mate is on benefits and poor but his diet choices are dire - always costly packet foods form Iceland and over-eats

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

I've been concerned about the unbalanced economy and trade deficit for years.

I feel Cameron and Osborne's attempts at industrial policy were poor, looking back.


I find it ironic you dismiss the great economic rebalancing thanks in part to BOE lead devaluation (markets knew we would cut interest rates and print money to ease us through brexit)



We all need to start supporting British pork and butter for example in stead of Lurpak and Danepak - imports. We are making changes to our weekly shopping - in fact its really focused my mind. Why on earth were we buying French yoghurts and butter - I was simply not paying attention. Found a nice welsh black butter this week.


A modicum of temporary inflation is the cost for a fundamental rebalancing of the economy to benefit us all. Go to any 'poor' town and you see a mass of takeaways and plenty of over weight people. I'm sure most of us could cut down on 2 or 3% of our food intake in order to loose bit of fat, thus food price rises need not be a negative for the bulk of us. My old mate is on benefits and poor but his diet choices are dire - always costly packet foods form Iceland and over-eats

So........ I'm happy you now agree that our govmt should intervene to support industry and have an active industrial strategy ......a policy May has cribbed from Labour's last manifesto;).
Brexit will require this of course because only the govmt can offer the guarantees that such as Nissan will want in order to stay here in the coming years!

ruggedtoast

Conrad wrote: »

I've been concerned about the unbalanced economy and trade deficit for years.

I feel Cameron and Osborne's attempts at industrial policy were poor, looking back.


I find it ironic you dismiss the great economic rebalancing thanks in part to BOE lead devaluation (markets knew we would cut interest rates and print money to ease us through brexit)



We all need to start supporting British pork and butter for example in stead of Lurpak and Danepak - imports. We are making changes to our weekly shopping - in fact its really focused my mind. Why on earth were we buying French yoghurts and butter - I was simply not paying attention. Found a nice welsh black butter this week.


A modicum of temporary inflation is the cost for a fundamental rebalancing of the economy to benefit us all. Go to any 'poor' town and you see a mass of takeaways and plenty of over weight people. I'm sure most of us could cut down on 2 or 3% of our food intake in order to loose bit of fat, thus food price rises need not be a negative for the bulk of us. My old mate is on benefits and poor but his diet choices are dire - always costly packet foods form Iceland and over-eats

Welsh black butter? I have never even heard of this so I had to google it.

http://www.beachfood.co.uk/product_details.php?catid=5&pid=6

A mere snip at £4 for a small tub. Why the unwashed of Dagenham aren't lining up to demand it from Lidl is beyond me.

Poor people like your poor poor old mate are often obese because unhealthy processed food, calorie for calorie, is significantly cheaper than fresh food that spoils.

Obesity has nothing whatsoever to do with the amount of food that you eat, and in the poor is more often than not a sign of malnutrition.

But I'm wasting my time on you aren't I? A mortgage broker who hates debt unless he happens to be selling it and is all for the free market apart from when it comes to food, then the poor can suck up price rises by choosing artisanal dairy products they can't afford because the buy to let products he shills have priced them into semi homelessness.

Just as long as they don't buy French yoghurt it'll all be fine, because people on benefits are always throwing out uneaten pots of bio-cultured organic Danone.

Yamumuk

I think I will make a last post on here because I am tired of appearing like some kind of state enemy talking down the country for stating the harsh reality of what Brexit means. It seems like shining a light on Brexiters delusion makes one such. Also tired of explaining things for people so stubborn it won't affect them until they are hit in their own pockets to a degree which invokes lifestyle changes.

I just heard on the radio that subsidies for the motor industry could end up being higher than wage bills !

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/02/reuters-america-analysis-britains-brexit-subsidies-for-carmakers-could-top-wage-bills.html

Everything we now import from the E.U. is going to be around 20pct more, well done. Apparently after A50 is triggered (let's really hope it never is) the Pound will tank even further.

I wonder what it will take for you to not complete the action of shooting the entire country in the foot (more a leg amputation). You just won't admit you are all mugs for voting Brexit and you cannot even own up to it. Dead weight, as I said before.

Inflation is next, again your fault, back to repossessions for people on the edge.

To remainers I sincerely wish you the best for the future, I hope you and your kids manage to get by ok in the future, keep making good decisions.

mrginge

steampowered wrote: »

Inflation predicted to hit 4%: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37838087

'households are about to endure a renewed period of falling living standards due to soaring inflation.

Fuel, food and technology prices already are rising in response to the weaker pound, and hefty price rises will be seen across the whole spectrum of consumer goods next year.'

Just like how the prices of everything from wine, to tea, to marmite, to apple products (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37799235) are all going to be hiked.

Thanks Brexiteers.

This is terrible news.
I'm old enough to remember the bad old days of 4% inflation and god it was hard. How we managed to survive through 2011 I'll never know.

And not only do we expect Zimbabwe-style inflation, but the even worse news is the prediction that the economy will only grow by 1.4% during this economic meltdown.

Granted it's a bit better than the nailed-on recession that we were promised but hell fire, how am I going to feed the kids with marginal inflation and a growing economy to cope with.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

We are making changes to our weekly shopping - in fact its really focused my mind. Why on earth were we buying French yoghurts and butter - I was simply not paying attention. Found a nice welsh black butter this week.

Yeah, when prices go up people make an effort to find something even more expensive.

You really do take the !!!!.

David_Aston

Brilliant whotsthat!
I can just imagine the wonderful Miles Jupp explaining to the News Quiz team that he's had to send his butler into Aldi for the shopping, when the series comes back on.

Tromking

Yamumuk wrote: »

Everything we now import from the E.U. is going to be around 20pct more, well done. Apparently after A50 is triggered (let's really hope it never is) the Pound will tank even further.

You're right, a big moment for EU exporters to the UK. Do they remain competitive to UK consumers and reduce prices or run the risk of losing our custom by refusing to do so.

Conrad

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Welsh black butter? I have never even heard of this so I had to google it.

http://www.beachfood.co.uk/product_details.php?catid=5&pid=6

A mere snip at £4 for a small tub. Why the unwashed of Dagenham aren't lining up to demand it from Lidl is beyond me.

Poor people like your poor poor old mate are often obese because unhealthy processed food, calorie for calorie, is significantly cheaper than fresh food that spoils.



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No not that butter, the one we get is much cheaper, I will ask the missus which it is


Go into a kebab shop at tea time, see who's in there. I used to travel a lot on business - poor towns are full of these places and they are NOT cheap. A large donner, cherry coke and chips will set you back about £7 and that's exactly what I see supposedly poor people ordering.


My Mum moved to Wales - the chippys and other takeaway in poor towns do a roaring tea time trade and I sit there and here what they order]


You must live in a parallel Universe


I grew up very poor, one of 4 hungry Boys and only Dad worked. My Mum could never have afforded takeaways and fried chicken - she made big old stews very cheaply. You apologists never accept such things are possible


Many, not all, people can cut down and make better choices