If we vote for Brexit what happens

kabayiri

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Righteous indignation is 5% righteous and 95% indignation. People like prosaver watch things like Benefits Street in order to feel superior to others.

I saw one of them, it was so staged managed the participants were practically reading from autocues.
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I think it's funny...you being outraged at shows designed for people to be outraged at.

I'm outraged at your outrage (and so the Russian Doll thing continues).

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Go into a kebab shop at tea time, see who's in there. I used to travel a lot on business - poor towns are full of these places and they are NOT cheap. A large donner, cheery coke and chips will set you back about £7 and that's exactly what I see supposedly poor people ordering.

It's kind of the only option for hot food when your oven doesn't work and you can't afford a new one. Plus, how do you know the people using these places are poor or using them regularly? I quite often grab a take-away midweek, because by the time I get back from work I can't face cooking whilst watching a rampaging toddler.

Have you ever interacted with a "poor person"?

Conrad

PS One of my Brothers is completely brassic, I mean utterly nothing left after bills each week due to a recent divorce and he rustles up amazing home cooked food every night for himself after having woken at 4 am (latest) for work and put in a 14 hour day


He buys late at night in Tescos, all sorts of bargains and cooks from scratch

Herzlos

So he's got a fully functioning kitchen and presumably a car then, without children in the house to supervise?


I end the month with sub £50 left over, and I can cook most nights, but I've got a relatively new kitchen and popping out to buy food takes me all of 10 minutes.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

So he's got a fully functioning kitchen and presumably a car then, without children in the house to supervise?


I end the month with sub £50 left over, and I can cook most nights, but I've got a relatively new kitchen and popping out to buy food takes me all of 10 minutes.

My FIL and deceased MIL came each from massive rural families crammed into little tied farm cottages. There was no 'fully functioning kitchen' but he talks of all the cheap home cooked meals they had. There were no takeaways, no supermarkets. Did they sit about moaning there was 'no way of cooking a decent meal', did they heck. There was not even internal running water.


When Dad was in the army, we at one time lived in a poky cold house in N Ireland - barely a kitchen to speak of

This is sort of what I mean by todays culture of victimhood and moaning

michaels

mrginge wrote: »

This is terrible news.
I'm old enough to remember the bad old days of 4% inflation and god it was hard. How we managed to survive through 2011 I'll never know.

And not only do we expect Zimbabwe-style inflation, but the even worse news is the prediction that the economy will only grow by 1.4% during this economic meltdown.

Granted it's a bit better than the nailed-on recession that we were promised but hell fire, how am I going to feed the kids with marginal inflation and a growing economy to cope with.

Don't forget if the population growth were to slow down then even though we see lower GDP growth overall the impact on GDP per head will be smaller. And of course lower unskilled population growth will result in wages at the bottom being pushed up, so 'the poorest' will be protected.

and of course if we keep nominal GDP growing via QE and interest rates remain low govt finances will improve as nominal debt to gdp will fall.

Win win win

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

PS One of my Brothers is completely brassic, I mean utterly nothing left after bills each week due to a recent divorce and he rustles up amazing home cooked food every night for himself after having woken at 4 am (latest) for work and put in a 14 hour day

He buys late at night in Tescos, all sorts of bargains and cooks from scratch

You mean he's trying to save money by buying cheaper stuff? At least one of the brothers gets it.

Tell him the story about how you're going to get around inflation buy forgoing your French butter in favour of a specialty British butter. Don't be surprised if he calls you Marie Antoinette.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

It's kind of the only option for hot food when your oven doesn't work and you can't afford a new one. Plus, how do you know the people using these places are poor or using them regularly? I quite often grab a take-away midweek, because by the time I get back from work I can't face cooking whilst watching a rampaging toddler.

Have you ever interacted with a "poor person"?

rather summarises what is wrong with the under class

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

My FIL and deceased MIL came each from massive rural families crammed into little tied farm cottages. There was no 'fully functioning kitchen' but he talks of all the cheap home cooked meals they had. There were no takeaways, no supermarkets. Did they sit about moaning there was 'no way of cooking a decent meal', did they heck. There was not even internal running water.


This is sort of what I mean by todays culture of victimhood and moaning

You try living on a budget with no oven or freezer, and see how you get on :rotfl:

I don't doubt your parents had a different upbringing to your (or my) generation, but what cheap and manageable then isn't necesarily the same.

Local food is expensive now, so unless you're near a supermarket, good food isn't that cheap. Supermarkets tend to be located on the edge of town, so that shopping trip might be an hours round trip on foot.
If you can't bulk buy and store food (freezing), then you're restricted to smaller orders and using everything up. If you don't have an oven/hob you're really restricted in what you can do with stuff, and I refuse to believe that your parents grew up in houses without a stove.

Cheap food is usually crap, and a lot of people don't have the option. Since the price of stuff is going to have to go up on the whole (not least, because oil is priced in USD and stuff needs transported), they'll have to go for even more crap.

Your view on food hikes due to Brexit really is a case of "Let them eat cake" with seemingly no concept as to the reality for a lot of people in the country.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Just calling it as it is and actually it is well known which side the 'bigotry' was on......Farage's infamous poster and the murder of Jo Cox made that perfectly clear! look at the types in UKIP!
Never in the past I imagine has a paltry majority of 52% (of those who voted) been used to justify the indefensible. Hitler was swept into power with an even higher majority....probably based on fewer lies and misunderstandings...:rotfl:..but I'm sure they were all morally upstanding righteous individuals!

I'm invoking Godwin's Law.....