If we vote for Brexit what happens

Yamumuk

Conrad wrote: »

Nothing will happen, the transition will be seamless, trade will never be allowed to be hampered. FTSE 250 investors are very confident about Britain's future. I guess you know better.


Got to be a way to make this bad news... think, BBC, think!

Quoted for future reference.

Conrad

Yamumuk wrote: »

Quoted for future reference.

I said it back before June 23rd - I got well ridiculed for it - I said life will go on and the transition will be seamless.




You seem unable to understand European nations will not allow deliberate self harm to their trade and citizens.


I think I understand your blind spot; You think somehow the Brussels burecrats political project will trump the day to day realities of business and employment, i.e. real politique?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You do realise that..... Oh, hang on, obviously you don't.

Investment decisions are planned well in advance.

The investment projects most businesses were delivering last quarter were signed off at least 12-18 months ago and in many cases a number of years further back.

It will take time for that pipeline to dry up - but unless the govt can provide assurances to business (like the guarantee of compensation for tariffs rumoured to be offered to Nissan last week) then dry up it will.

This rampant smugness of the Brexiteers while looking at figures which were all but baked in pre-referendum is likely to come back and bite them hard once the changes to business confidence actually flow through into the data next year and the year after.;)

You already well and truly lost the "Investment decisions are planned well in advance" argument in the thread here: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5547161

Ah yes, Nissan:

Japanese carmaker Nissan will build its new Qashqai model in Britain despite the vote to quit the EU, giving Prime Minister Theresa May her most important corporate endorsement since the Brexit referendum in June.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-nissan-idUKKCN12R13C

Now apply all the "spin" you want BUT there is NO WAY that such a major investment would go ahead unless they were CERTAIN.

Building the X-Trail SUV is an unexpected addition to the model line-up at Sunderland, which makes almost one in three cars built in Britain and produced 475,000 vehicles last year - 80% of which were exported.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37787890

I accept that it is "early days".
I also accept that not everything will be trouble-free.
As (I suspect) do most that support a UK out of the EU.

But honestly, if you* don't like the (seemingly continual now) GOOD NEWS since a Brexit was voted-for perhaps you could try ceasing the "harbinger of doom"-type propaganda as seen throughout these forums and UK media?
Because you're really starting to look more than a little silly.

* - "you" not necessarily implying Hamish but to any vocal anti-Brexit (or pro-remain if you prefer that phraseology) protagonist intent on portraying theory and prophecy as fact.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Yamumuk wrote: »

Choosing to stay in a highly technical factory you built the last decades is not rocket science it is common sense. They have probably tooled for these vehicles way, way before Brexit.

You are making a Brexit mountain out of a common sense mole hill.

I suppose you have to grab on to what you can for a win though so don't blame you for it.

Making cars is one thing, best not to make that process more expensive. Selling them is another.

Building the X-Trail SUV is an unexpected addition to the model line-up at Sunderland, which makes almost one in three cars built in Britain and produced 475,000 vehicles last year - 80% of which were exported.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37787890

Kinda puts paid to the "They have probably tooled for these vehicles way, way before Brexit." argument, eh?
I will quote what I said in a similar thread a few minutes ago:

But honestly, if you don't like the (seemingly continual now) GOOD NEWS since a Brexit was voted-for perhaps you could try ceasing the "harbinger of doom"-type propaganda as seen throughout these forums and UK media?
Because you're really starting to look more than a little silly.

I accept that it is "early days".
I also accept that not everything will be trouble-free.
As (I suspect) do most that support a UK out of the EU.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Indeed good point, A UK grower would be aware that dumping is also a threat to their expansion. They will need to convince their friendly local Bank Manager of the viability of their expansion plans. Would you advance the loan?
Perhaps the Government need to think outside the box and start guaranteeing loans for British businesses to take advantage of all the new opportunities.

Give them time - it seems they have enough "squawking" and other priorities to deal with.
You know what they say?
"Mighty oaks from little acorns grow."

wotsthat

Maybe UK consumers won't bother with a real Christmas tree. The imported ones are more expensive and it's doubtful that UK growers are known for selling cheap trees anyway.

Maybe people will buy a plastic Chinese one?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

Maybe UK consumers won't bother with a real Christmas tree. The imported ones are more expensive and it's doubtful that UK growers are known for selling cheap trees anyway.

Maybe people will buy a plastic Chinese one?

Maybe but since China is still devaluing the Yuan, their artificial trees aren't so cheap any more.
I was looking at a large display in a garden centre near me.
£100 PLUS for a fake tree! :eek:

So (like many, I suspect) I will stick to a real, freshly-UK-grown tree.
They smell better too.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If the EU imposes 100℅ import duties on Nissans made in the UK, and Nissan decide to sell 100 million cars there, that's what we are now liable for.

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it merely illustrate how a totally unrealistic you are with no grasp of reality

Conrad

Sarkozy's offer to the people, 2017 election campaign;


I would like to introduce trade barriers and tariffs


These will mean less trade, less wealth, more unemployment, more uncertainty


But at least we 'might' harm the British (but yes I'm afraid this will mean we can no longer fish their waters nor have amicable relations for security and military matters)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Conrad wrote: »

Sarkozy's offer to the people, 2017 election campaign;


I would like to introduce trade barriers and tariffs


These will mean less trade, less wealth, more unemployment, more uncertainty


But at least we 'might' harm the British (but yes I'm afraid this will mean we can no longer fish their waters nor have amicable relations for security and military matters)

Would that be the same Sarkozy investigated for spending twice the legal limit on campaign funds in 2012?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35592077

The same Sarkozy implicated in Christine Lagarde's investigation where a businessman supported Sarkozy's 2007 presidential race with the aid of a 400 million Euro IMF payout?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/22/christine-lagarde-to-stand-trial-tapie-affair-appeal-fails-imf-chief-nicolas-sarkozy

Now I know that according to polls Sarkozy's a favourite.
(Polls eh? Right.)
But there is a real chance that (an already disillusioned) France will follow the UK and choose Frexit.