If we vote for Brexit what happens

steampowered

Conrad wrote: »

You seem unable to understand European nations will not allow deliberate self harm to their trade and citizens.

I think I understand your blind spot; You think somehow the Brussels burecrats political project will trump the day to day realities of business and employment, i.e. real politique?

???

Isn't this the primary reason that most Brexiteers cite for wanting to leave the EU?

What's your view on the Euro for example?

You've got to decide. Either you think that the EU institutions act in the interests of business over the interests of politics, or you don't.

Yamumuk

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37787890

Kinda puts paid to the "They have probably tooled for these vehicles way, way before Brexit." argument, eh?
I will quote what I said in a similar thread a few minutes ago:

That's fair enough, I concede there.

Conrad

Lord Farmer, a life long Metal Exchange executive was just on Parliament channel explaining how this centre of the global metals trade was looking to move to Asia due to the upcoming Mifid2 EU regulations which make doing business very much less fruitful, involving such things as a no risk clause, when trade itself is at heart a risk. This is one of many reason we are far better off as global free trade champions, a super Singapore

Conrad

steampowered wrote: »

???

Isn't this the primary reason that most Brexiteers cite for wanting to leave the EU?

What's your view on the Euro for example?

You've got to decide. Either you think that the EU institutions act in the interests of business over the interests of politics, or you don't.

To be clear my point is the Remoaners have long argued we will be punished even if it means the Europeans cutting off noses to spite faces by harming thier trade as they apparantly will put the EU political project, ahead of preserving business and trade. The Remoaners always say the EU will happily lose trade and employment so long as we get punished IN ORDER TO DETER OTHER LEAVERS


My counter to this is that is is bollox, because national leaders will
not countenance self harm to thier trade with us, not a chance

Conrad

steampowered wrote: »

???

Isn't this the primary reason that most Brexiteers cite for wanting to leave the EU?

What's your view on the Euro for example?

You've got to decide. Either you think that the EU institutions act in the interests of business over the interests of politics, or you don't.

To be clear my point is the Remoaners have long argued we will be punished even if it means the Europeans cutting off noses to spite faces by harming thier trade as they apparantly will put the EU political project, ahead of preserving business and trade. The Remoaners always say the EU will happily lose trade and employment so long as we get punished IN ORDER TO DETER OTHER LEAVERS


My counter to this is that this bollox because national leaders will
not countenance self harm to thier trade with us, not a chance

The_Last_Username

Retail sales grow faster than expected, suggesting no Brexit fear amongst the great British public.
Faster than they have in a while in fact, according to the CBI:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-economy-retail-idUKKCN12R15D

On top of that, Britain is now forecast to have the strongest growth of any major economy this year:
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/gdp-data-shows-strong-growth-uk-economy-brexit-vote-whod-thunk/

Reality and fact.
So much better than predictions of doom.

mrginge

Conrad wrote: »

To be clear my point is the Remoaners have long argued we will be punished even if it means the Europeans cutting off noses to spite faces by harming thier trade as they apparantly will put the EU political project, ahead of preserving business and trade. The Remoaners always say the EU will happily lose trade and employment so long as we get punished IN ORDER TO DETER OTHER LEAVERS


My counter to this is that this bollox because national leaders will
not countenance self harm to thier trade with us, not a chance

Very clear from today's Nissan announcement that the govt believes car industry to be an area we need to support.

The message to the EU is also very clear - tariffs on this industry will disadvantage EU manufacturers unless they offer the same support.
Net result - nobody would benefit from tariffs.

kinger101

mrginge wrote: »

I think she's playing it exactly the way it needs to be.
Say very little, prepare people and businesses for the worst case scenario. In a political negotiation with the EU there is no certainty of any agreement and she has to work on that basis.

Under-commit and aim to over-deliver.

Exact opposite of Cameron who promised the earth and delivered **** all.

Having as few people involved in the negotiations as possible helps as well. It's bad enough having to strike a deal with 27 countries. If every MP starts chipping in on what Brexit should look like, we'll end up the the same unrealistic nonsense of free trade without immigration. No point putting our negotiators on a war footing. This is partly a face saving excercise on both sides, so making a noise about how we're gonna come out on top doesn't help.

If MPs were that concerned about Brexit, they shouldn't have voted for the referendum.

kinger101

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

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We will maintain as much access to the single market as possible. As a leave voter I would be happy with EEA/EFTA.

What do you think the advantages of EEA are over just remaining in the EU? Do you think it would be palatable to the majority of those who wanted to leave.

To me, EEA is the worst of both worlds.

kinger101

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You already well and truly lost the "Investment decisions are planned well in advance" argument in the thread here: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5547161

Ah yes, Nissan:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-nissan-idUKKCN12R13C

Now apply all the "spin" you want BUT there is NO WAY that such a major investment would go ahead unless they were CERTAIN.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37787890

I accept that it is "early days".
I also accept that not everything will be trouble-free.
As (I suspect) do most that support a UK out of the EU.

But honestly, if you* don't like the (seemingly continual now) GOOD NEWS since a Brexit was voted-for perhaps you could try ceasing the "harbinger of doom"-type propaganda as seen throughout these forums and UK media?
Because you're really starting to look more than a little silly.

* - "you" not necessarily implying Hamish but to any vocal anti-Brexit (or pro-remain if you prefer that phraseology) protagonist intent on portraying theory and prophecy as fact.

You're basing your rosy picture on one announcement by Nissan. The details of which, both the government and the company are being less than candid about.

There's still a long way to go in knowing the long term impact of Brexit. Particularly as we don't know what our future trading relationship will look like.