If we vote for Brexit what happens

Yamumuk

Conrad wrote: »

You ignored the fact the entire establishment, Government, TV media, all three main parties, Govt organs and the rest threw massive uncalled for weapons grade terror and lies at us, almost no facts and no reason, so yes you're right we would demand another referendum had the corrupting establishment won out.

This talk of corruption. I am sure there is some, know it in fact. However it will be present in any state run by the few for the many, to degrees. Right now capitalism is on the back foot, it's going down and the way I see it is the E.U. is one mechanism that is fighting towards avoiding total collapse. Same with May I dislike her policies but she has taken this poison challice on hopefully understanding the true fascist threat from UKIP.

The world economy tanks and fascism rears its head, find a scape goat and instill fear in the population. A familiar pattern.

The Western world is doing what they can to keep capitalism from collapsing totally, that probably won't be entirely corruption free process.

Shame UKIP managed to spook the Tories into the referendum and spread and disseminate into the public's mind along with rather dubious and sinister media help, their lies about everything being the E.U's fault.

David_Aston

And so we continue to have a pop at each other. Some, with a degree of rudeness which is frankly shocking!

spadoosh

David_Aston wrote: »

And so we continue to have a pop at each other. Some, with a degree of rudeness which is frankly shocking!

The majority of brexit to remain is based on being a bit wet behind the ears and the fact the majority bought into the doomed economy and wars breaking out in europe. Thats nothing but fearmongering and a large portion of remainers lapped it up. The other way round is pure hatred and bigotry, ok i get a few knuckle draggers have jumped onthe badwagon to back their anti foreigner ideals but for the most part most who voted brexit are not anti foreigner in the slightest, they are anti EU. My reasons for voting have apparently been decided by those who have never met me and based on bigoted views.

Just for you conrad as if you had it planned!? Someone else backtracking.

Brexit will not cause UK trade 'disruption' - WTO boss

The head of the World Trade Organisation has vowed to ensure Britain will not face a trade "vacuum or a disruption", however tough its exit from the European Union.

http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-will-not-cause-uk-trade-disruption-wto-boss-10632803


Little insignificant Britain ay?! Theres a huge difference between talking the talk and walking the walk.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Theresa May disagrees with you spadoosh....

“I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.

“If we were not in Europe, I think there would be firms and companies who would be looking to say: do they need to develop a mainland presence rather than a UK presence? So I think there are definite benefits for us in economic terms.”

Obviously.... her speech just five months ago makes clear that she personally believes a future out of the single market means a business exodus from Britain.

spadoosh

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Theresa May disagrees....



Obviously.... her speech just five months ago makes clear that she personally believes a future out of the single market means a business exodus from Britain.

Perfect timing, just like the WTO boss said trade would be hit and is now backtracking and trying his best to prevent anyone from hampering trade.

should be our new national anthem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXvzzTICvJs

With a slight adjustment of course, EU need me, I dont need EU


Editing again to add, nothing to do with having to pander to Dave for the benefit of the tory party?

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Theresa May disagrees with you spadoosh....



Obviously.... her speech just five months ago makes clear that she personally believes a future out of the single market means a business exodus from Britain.

So she's carrying out the will of the people to leave the EU and also get the best possible access to the single market.

What's wrong with that?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

spadoosh wrote: »

With a slight adjustment of course, EU need me, I dont need EU

7% of EU exports come to the UK.

45% of UK exports go to the EU.

It's little short of delusional to think we are the ones negotiating from a position of strength.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

7% of EU exports come to the UK.

45% of UK exports go to the EU.

It's little short of delusional to think we are the ones negotiating from a position of strength.

Break it down by country.

See if those countries are net contributors to the EU budget or not.

See if those countries make up the vast majority of the EU's GDP or not.

It's not as simple as treating the 27 members as one when we go into negotiations. They will also be arguing amongst themselves as each one of them will have special interests.

You'll probably find some members prying concessions from other members in order that they're allowed to give the UK what we want. It'll be messy for the EU.

Hungary could probably get the EU to drop the refugee quota in order to get them to agree to a EU/UK deal.

Ireland will have some cards to play, possibly reversing decisions to penalise Apple.

Greece will probably want something. As will Spain, and if Spain gets you can probably expect Portugal to want something too.

Sweden will want good trade relations, will they give concessions to make that happen?

Edit: How could I forget Italy! They'll want the financial regulations relaxing so they can sort out their banking crisis.

Will the concessions be political, economic, or both?

All I can see is it will be messy, but the UK will pretty much have it's ducks in a row with regards to what we're aiming for.

spadoosh

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

7% of EU exports come to the UK.

45% of UK exports go to the EU.

It's little short of delusional to think we are the ones negotiating from a position of strength.

Delusional is your understanding of exports. Exports leave a country (or economic area) that stat your posting, and you know this full well, is a % of trade it would be like classifying UK exports as trade between UK- Scotland UK-Birmingham. The actual figure is closer to 20%

You might be weak fortunately our PM isnt.

Also dont make it look like you where replying to me by editing your post.

setmefree2

Conrad wrote: »

Interesting article in the Telegraph tonight describing the EU as a poverty making machine as poverty rates accelerate, and especially for those nations using the Euro.

In the same paper the Swedish Finance Minister is calling for soft treatment of Britain on the back of Swedish exports falling off a cliff

The comments came as Swedish companies start to feel the chilling effect of the referendum campaign in Britain and the sharp fall in sterling. Data released this week show that Swedish exports to Britain are in free-fall, with a drop of 19pc over the period from January to July compared to the same period a year ago

Pharmaceuticals fell 38pc, chemicals 23pc, and paper goods 15pc. “It’s amazing. If this persists, it will lead to fewer jobs in Sweden,” said Andres Hatzigeorgiou form the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce, speaking to Dagens Industri.
While part of the drop is a mechanical effect due to the stronger Krona, it also suggests that export profit margins are collapsing. This squeeze would be even more severe if a hard Brexit led to a yet weaker pound and to the erection of tariff barriers.
There are over 1,000 Swedish companies operating in Britain, employing 100,000 people, from Saab, Scania, and Electrolux, to Skype and Ericsson, to Ikea and H&M. “They’re worried about potential trade barriers and tariffs, and about the Swedish personnel,” said Ms Andersson.
“A weak British pound affects Swedish exports companies, and that could of course affect the Swedish economy,” she said. Britain is the country’s third biggest foreign market.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/24/sweden-holds-out-olive-branch-to-brexit-britain/