If we vote for Brexit what happens

Yamumuk

StevieJ wrote: »

Daniel Hannon one of the most eloquent speakers on Brexit before the 23rd (impressive I admit).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YNcF3h3NgQ

Same guy on the morning of th 24th June. Definitely went up in my estimation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5jTRoySFfo

How have the extreme right kidnapped the Brexit process?

It was UKIP who has many far right sympathizers who instigated the referendum and Brexit. May knows there is high pressure on her as if Brexit does not seemingly appease the simplistic requirements of what Brexit people wanted i.e. immigration control and a fat wad of cash in their bank account (as if anyone gives a f about laws etc.) that UKIP will steal votes. UKIP are an extremely dangerous party going forward, dangerous for democracy. I cannot believe the U.K. of all places have fallen for this. Fascism on our dorrstep after all our forefathers went through. Shameful to the highest degree.

The general public along with their fears being manipulated by The Mail etc. The Brexmongers like blame, cause blame is easy and does not require much thought. Thought and sophisticated reasoning does not come easy to many in the U.K. It is easy to blame others for ones own disappointments in life.

Blaming does not require looking inwards. This avoids looking into the abyss of ones own existence.

It is simplistic and suits their mental capacity, lazyness and incompetence and lack of basic skills and effort. An expectation of something over and above others, a false sense of self value and entitlement for having done nothing remarkable, that one deserves something that has not been achieved.

The same lazyness and delusion of grandeur regarding entitlement that means we need immigration in the first place to do many relatively straight forward jobs. Not good enough for me, too menial, better off not working. This coupled with some good old closed mindedness and a generous helping of elderly dislike for anything seemingly controlled by Germany. (This in my opinion is in part understandable)

But we cannot live in the past because our young people must move into the future. It is sad to see the older generation stealing opportunity from the younger generation. Very sad.

Nothing good will come from Brexit at all. It was just one of those things where a lot of people made the E.U. the fall guy instead of themselves and their government. Unwittingly Brexiters did not realize that the ultimate fall guy is to be the U.K. In terms of our economy, moral standing, political world standing and projecting a sentiment of separation and distrust to neighbouring political and economic allies. How is it even possible to think this would be a good thing ?

You can cut your response anyway you want but these are facts. It was not a benign act and the consequences as have been clearly suggested by E.U. member states will be brutal and unwavering.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And remind me again how many people Hungary have agreed to accept?

The EU wanted to make Hungary accept 1,300 refugees.

The Hungarian government had a referendum on the issue, where 98% of the people who voted (45% turnout) decided not to accept this deal. Because of the low turnout the referendum was deemed not legally valid.

As far as I can tell they've not agreed to anything and continue to push back against EU diktats.

CLAPTON

Yamumuk wrote: »

Thought and sophisticated reasoning does not come easy to many in the U.K.

racist little ........

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

As far as I can tell they've not agreed to anything and continue to push back against EU diktats.

Oh right.... So the EU hasn't forced them to do anything then.

Now remind me, where in Hungary's accession to the EU is the wording saying they can't leave the club if they so choose?

And if in fact they can leave if they want to - then you have to agree that Hungary retains ultimate sovereignty.

It really is that simple.

cogito

Yamumuk wrote: »

You can cut your response anyway you want but these are facts. It was not a benign act and the consequences as have been clearly suggested by E.U. member states will be brutal and unwavering.

Here is Paragraph 1 of Article 8 of the Treaty of Lisbon:


1. The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.


What's it to be? The EU will obey its own treaty by being neighbourly or tear it up and be unwaveringly brutal.

Yamumuk

cogito wrote: »

Here is Paragraph 1 of Article 8 of the Treaty of Lisbon:


1. The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.


What's it to be? The EU will obey its own treaty by being neighbourly or tear it up and be unwaveringly brutal.

I am not sure if you watch the news mate but there was this referendum in summer..........

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh right.... So the EU hasn't forced them to do anything then.

Now remind me, where in Hungary's accession to the EU is the wording saying they can't leave the club if they so choose?

And if in fact they can leave if they want to - then you have to agree that Hungary retains ultimate sovereignty.

It really is that simple.

Hungary have been told that if they do not agree to this that they could be expelled from the club.

That's follow the rules or you're out. That's exactly what I'm saying about you cannot remain in the EU without being subservient to it. Therefore - not sovereign.

It's been done to death, even the remain MP's who tried to argue we have sovereignty in the EU have given up trying to argue this point, you're doing an equally bad job.

Yamumuk

CLAPTON wrote: »

racist little ........

What exactly do you mean with this ? You really are a completely deluded person. Scarily so. Trying to reverse the tables and dig dirt at the lowest level, your mindset is so filled with hatred and fear you can not longer even think straight.

It is not my problem that the truth is as it is. It is you who voted for Brexit and you must come to terms with this mindset that has got us where we are today. Be humble, we all make mistakes and sort your jumbled mind out and then do what is right for the country, reverse your terrible decision.

gfplux

Now the UK is out let's get on with the real work.

http://www.politico.eu/article/jean-claude-junckers-social-agenda-europe-commission-president/

"With the U.K. preparing to leave, Juncker wants to give a new push to the “European pillar of social rights” — a proposal he first mentioned nearly a year ago. The measures, aimed primarily at the eurozone but with non-euro countries able to opt-in if they wish, include rules on the minimum wage and to protect gender equality — policies long considered out-of-bounds for Brussels.
As he fights for free trade deals and measures to boost economic growth and competitiveness, the Commission president also wants to add a “social” dimension to EU policy. Introducing the idea in his State of the Union address to the European Parliament last September, Juncker said he wanted to build a new EU social policy that “takes account of the changing realities of the world of work.”
Juncker backed Belgium’s Marianne Thyssen, the European commissioner in charge of employment, social affairs and labor mobility, to push the initiative, and she’s spent the past few months gauging support for the possible changes in EU countries with NGOs, business groups and trade unions."

Rinoa

Government insiders expect Nissan to announce that it is building the new Qashqai in Sunderland in the next week or so. As I write in The Sun today, the Business Secretary Greg Clark has been in Japan to see Nissan high-ups and the government is now optimistic the deal will be done.
This news will be a major relief for the government. It shows that the British car industry isn’t being written off by Brexit and given how some in Brussels seem to think that bad economic news will send this country scurrying back to the EU, will strengthen the UK’s negotiating hand. One can also just imagine how Brexit’s critics would have reacted if Nissan had announced it was moving production away from Sunderland, which voted heavily to leave, to an EU-27 location.


Insiders won’t say whether the government promised to compensate Nissan if the EU imposed tariffs on UK made cars. But one well-placed source tells me that the government is sufficiently sure that there won’t be tariffs either way that it could make ‘robust assurances, but be fully confident they won’t be called in’

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/brexit-relief-government-expects-nissan-announce-building-new-car-sunderland/