If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

wotsthat wrote: »

If there was a free trade agreement between the EU and Japan trade between them would increase. Depending on the benefits it might be worth one of the parties contributing towards the legal structures of the other party. No one in their right mind would object based on the principle of a fee if that fee was less than the benefit such as removal of the 10% tariff on Japanese cars imported into the EU.

There are plenty of free trade agreements in the world. Do any of them involve one party paying a huge fee to the other, especially if the party receiving the fee appears to derive the most benefit?

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

For all decent folks out there, you can make a small contribution by writing to the government to ask them to guarantee the status of EU citizens in the UK.


http://writetoremain.uk/

Where do we write to safeguard UK citizens in the EU?

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

there is clearly no difference between the feeling of uncertainty and any anxiety about their residential status, between UK people living in EU countries and EU citizens living in the UK.

I'd be more anxious living somewhere where I was overtly called a negotiating chip. We know it's all up for negotiation but there's a sniff of the crass about it plus a lack of sensitivity and political awareness.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

I'd be more anxious living somewhere where I was overtly called a negotiating chip. We know it's all up for negotiation but there's a sniff of the crass about it plus a lack of sensitivity and political awareness.

Lack of sensitivity and political awareness is the extent of it.

The overall strategy would still be to not give anything away at this stage.

The vast majority will be able to stay regardless of the outcome of negotiations due to:

- having a job
- being a family member of someone who has a job
- having children born here

and a myriad of other reasons probably. They'll be able to apply for FLR and eventually ILR visa's if they've not already qualified.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

I'd be more anxious living somewhere where I was overtly called a negotiating chip. We know it's all up for negotiation but there's a sniff of the crass about it plus a lack of sensitivity and political awareness.

I was talking last night to some friends living in France.
Their anxiety was that the silence from Europe implied a no compromise EU policy of forceble explusion for UK citizens.
Their interpreted the UK position as being willing to offer EU people continued residency as long as EU did the same for UK people i.e. a fair and equal system.

wotsthat

Rinoa wrote: »

There are plenty of free trade agreements in the world. Do any of them involve one party paying a huge fee to the other, especially if the party receiving the fee appears to derive the most benefit?

No idea. If paying a fee to the EU to help ensure consistent standards across Europe or secure access is in our best economic interests then why wouldn't we pay it? I believe many people pay for membership of Costco and shop there too. I guess they look at things in the round.

Obviously difficult for the politicians who got their knickers in a twist about EU membership fees to then pay a fee for access even if it might be in our economic interest to do so.

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

Where do we write to safeguard UK citizens in the EU?

Whenever the EU considers UK citizens living there 'negotiation cards', I'm sure there will be somewhere for you to write to.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Whenever the EU considers UK citizens living there 'negotiation cards', I'm sure there will be somewhere for you to write to.

not one EU country has said they will offer continued residency to UK citizens so all are holding them as negotiating cards

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

I was talking last night to some friends living in France.
Their anxiety was that the silence from Europe implied a no compromise EU policy of forceble explusion for UK citizens.
Their interpreted the UK position as being willing to offer EU people continued residency as long as EU did the same for UK people i.e. a fair and equal system.

As their status hasn't been guaranteed they implied that means they'll be expelled from France?

They sound like right nervous nellies.

Moto2

Conrad wrote: »

Many remainers start out with the assumption we are a weak petitioner and cannot understand the huge opportunities of brexit, as such they have nothing to contribute.


I wont mind if Mrs May goes through the motions of letting them have a say though..., after all Hilary Bens appointment as Brexit Committee Chair gives the remoaners a toss of red meat

It's democracy Jim, but not as we know it