If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

If you really want dirt cheap labour post-Brexit you exploit huge numbers of Indians and similar, just as Qatar does.

You scrap the minimum wage and bring in these workers in temporary work visas, with no residency rights whatsoever.

I'm sure that a liberal or two will be along shortly suggesting this is cruel and unfair practice.

That same liberal probably thinks nothing of buying an iPhone built by someone with few labour rights, working 12 hour+ shifts , 6 days a week.

We are own worse hypocrites at times.

I am sure in the post Brexit world we will see a large use of temporary work visas used in the U.K.
Given that there will be a "private" list of foreign employees provided by each employer perhaps this Government might think it a good idea for foreign workers on temporary work visas to "deposit" their passports with the Dartpartment of employment. That job will probably be outsourced to a private company.

setmefree2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Of course it isn't.

There are no circumstances under which we'd be better off with Brexit than with staying in.

Do you live in Scotland? If so, I would say that there are no circumstances under which Scotland can be better off while people keep voting SNP. That amount of uncertainty-too much for investors. That has nothing to do with Brexit.

Here in London/ SE - sure Brexit can be successful.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

It is therefore the responsibility of people who voted remain to continue making their case for why Brexit is a mistake, to continue holding the leavers to account as the things which are already happening (crashing pound, soaring inflation, companies leaving, Govt rejecting additional NHS funding, etc) come to pass.

And to mitigate the damage by making it as hard as possible for the Brexiteers to give us the Chaotic Brexit they want to see - and instead working towards the best settlement possible for Britain - staying in the Single Market and Customs Union - keeping our citizens unrestricted access to the EU to work and live - maintaining participation in all the EU structures that benefit us.

Knock yourself out.

Me, I'd rather deal with reality - which is understanding what the new UK will look like. In all probability the future is the UK (plus or minus Scotland) as an independent country, with a WTO Schedule of it's own, making new deals all around the globe.

I will continue to cheer every piece of good news for Britain and continue looking for green shoots......

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Where were the Labour party prior to the vote? Totally vacant. As on the majority of topics lacking any coherent policies or vision. Simply being anti Tory doesn't add anything to the debate. Just inept dribble. If you want to change UK politics you need to have positive vibes not simply come across as putrid and obnoxious. Not a vote winner. Totally the reverse. I'd go as far as saying losing core vote.

I could not agree more Thrugelmir.
We should look at the long game. The next election will be in 2020. As we have all been told and have experienced "a week in politics is a long time"
I am sad that presently the U.K. Does not have an effective opposition. Without opposition we have totalitarism. Witness a senior member of our democratic Government wanting company's to list foreigners they employ. Yes this has been rolled back to a "private list" by intervention within the Tory party who could not stomach such a fascist move. With an effective opposition perhaps it would never have been proposed at all.

gfplux

leveller2911 wrote: »

I asked numerous times pre referendum what is the long term plan for the EU?. None of the remainers on here have answered the question apart from Hamish (to his credit) ,who says "the answer to the EU's huge problems is more EU", which basically means a Federalist state which he holds the USA up as a model when in fact Belgium would be more appropriate and thats a basket case where most people want partition because they don't like each other.

So I ask again what was the long term plan for the EU if we had remained with its massive issues with the Euro,Migrant crisis, expansion Eastwards,massive unemployment, next to zero growth etc etc etc.........

You claim the Brexit voters didn't have a plan but the fact is neither did you remainers .......

Hello leveller, you ask a good question but it's too late. Have you noticed (sorry that was a joke) you Britain are/is leaving the EU.
We now don't need to address that question again. Not until we are well into the 2 year period of ex A50 negotiations.
Without dought the EU will be different after or during the UK leaving process. However that then just becomes an academic question as the EU just like the USA or China will be our trading partner (more or less) and we can quite properly ask "what is the long term plan for the USA/Chine/EU" we can ask but we will only be observers from the sidelines.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

I could not agree more Thrugelmir.
We should look at the long game. The next election will be in 2020. As we have all been told and have experienced "a week in politics is a long time"
I am sad that presently the U.K. Does not have an effective opposition. Without opposition we have totalitarism. Witness a senior member of our democratic Government wanting company's to list foreigners they employ. Yes this has been rolled back to a "private list" by intervention within the Tory party who could not stomach such a fascist move. With an effective opposition perhaps it would never have been proposed at all.

does luxembourg not have records of their foreign residents?

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

I could not agree more Thrugelmir.
We should look at the long game. The next election will be in 2020. As we have all been told and have experienced "a week in politics is a long time"
I am sad that presently the U.K. Does not have an effective opposition. Without opposition we have totalitarism. Witness a senior member of our democratic Government wanting company's to list foreigners they employ. Yes this has been rolled back to a "private list" by intervention within the Tory party who could not stomach such a fascist move. With an effective opposition perhaps it would never have been proposed at all.

Everybody, regardless of nationality, who becomes an ordinary resident within a Luxembourg municipality must, upon arrival in the municipality, declare their presence to the population office of the administration of the municipality where they reside.

Foreign nationals must also carry out the formalities required for the entry and residence of foreigners.

http://www.luxembourg.public.lu/en/vivre/sinstaller/declarer/index.html


surely you can't possibly want to live in a country like that: could never happen in the UK unless forced to do so by the EU

gfplux

Moby wrote: »

Us remainers never needed a plan. I was happy with things the way they were. I wasn't interested in the internal splits of the tories and the future was good in the long term. Now some of the consequences of Brexit are beginning to knock on the door our future has changed. The loudest knock is the tumble in the value of the pound. It has slumped a long way against the euro and I plunged even more dramatically against the dollar. “Take back control” served the Brexiteer elite well as a slogan and their racist cheerleading thickos lapped it up. Although effective it was also a highly misleading guide to what would happen in a world in which the reality is a government does not have real sovereignty even over its currency. A pound is only worth as much as the world is willing to pay for it. If the world starts to believe that Britain’s economic prospects have deteriorated and that the country has become a less attractive destination for foreign investment, then the world will be less inclined to hold pounds. If the world starts to think that Britain is becoming less politically stable, a more unpredictable place to do business and a more risky country to lend to, then the world will be even less enthusiastic about owning pounds.

The slumping value of sterling tells us that this is exactly what the world now thinks. Markets are reacting to a government that is on a trajectory towards a “hard” Brexit that will be incompatible with remaining within the single market and may well see Britain’s departure from the European customs union as well. Companies are also becoming spooked as they grasp how protracted the negotiation with the EU is going to be. We have also gone down from being the 5th to the 6th richest country.

Inflation will kick in soon and the xenephobic, semi educated hordes of Brexit Britain who thought that shutting the door on the immigrants would make their world a better place will be seen for the mugs they are. Ever the victims, too slow to be internationalist in outlook they have screwed things for the rest of us as well.........those who can't get Irish passports anyway. Sturgeon I see is also digging a tunnel to effect escape for her crew from the sinking ship of Brexit Britain.What I say is well done to the 52%.....you've screwed the future prospects of your own country for years to come and probably ended the Union in the process. It will be long, slow and painful.

You might have a well written piece but for the vile words you have written about people who hold a different opinion to you (and me)
You should repost taking out the hatred and vitriol and perhaps only then will you have a good argument to make.

gfplux

gfplux wrote: »

You might have a well written piece but for the vile words you have written about people who hold a different opinion to you (and me)
You should repost taking out the hatred and vitriol and perhaps only then will you have a good argument to make.

"When they go low, you go high"

setmefree2

gfplux wrote: »

Witness a senior member of our democratic Government wanting company's to list foreigners they employ.

It's what the Americans do. It was also suggested by Ed Milliband. It helps governments see where there are labour shortages and helps them train people.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

It's what the Americans do. It was also suggested by Ed Milliband. It helps governments see where there are labour shortages and helps them train people.

Do you think that now is the time to bring in something that might be sensible but could and has inflamed attitudes towards foreigners.
In addition who ever heard of a British Government using statistics to plan for the future!