If we vote for Brexit what happens

BobQ

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The Labour Movement started out with no parliamentary representation at all, it was a protest movement when the only parties were the Whigs and the Tories.

It then became a party of government.

I do not need a history lesson. My point is that this past decade Labour made it into power. You and your ilk have pushed it back to the 1930s and after the next election it will have become what it was in 1900. It may indeed have a purpose then, to fight for all the rights that will have been surrepticiously removed.

We are quite prepared to do the same thing again.

I understand that. Had you started a new party to do this, then that would have been fine. But what you have done is destroy the hopes of milions of ordinary Labour supporters who wanted a Labour Party to fight for its interests

I don't recognise much of the PLP as being in any way socialist although they do appear to be falling into line now as the Blairites crumble from the spanking they have been given.

Apparently Blair himself is considering a return. It would be most apposite if after having spanked the Blairites J.C. got to spank Blair.

Of course you do not, those who infiltrate a party and change it from within, exploiting the apathy of its core supporters rarely do recognise the party they are destroying. The infiltration is what has caused the spanking not the PLP.

But the deed is done. The question now is whether those in the PLP have the ba!!s to make the break.

Even if Corbyn sees the light and realises that he will only get elected by moving towards the centre ground, he has no chance of being elected and you are deluded if you think otherwise.

leveller2911

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Putrid obnoxious politics is swaggering around number 10, swelling the fetid ranks of UKIP meetings and kicking in Eastern Europeans on our streets, actually.

There are small minded people everywhere .The UK doesn't have the monopoly on knuckle draggers.......Young British businessman killed by a German neo-nazi who hated foreigners...............

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/british-entrepreneur-was-killed-in-berlin-for-being-foreign-parents-claim-a6806511.html

Yamumuk

leveller2911 wrote: »

I asked numerous times pre referendum what is the long term plan for the EU?. None of the remainers on here have answered the question apart from Hamish (to his credit) ,who says "the answer to the EU's huge problems is more EU", which basically means a Federalist state which he holds the USA up as a model when in fact Belgium would be more appropriate and thats a basket case where most people want partition because they don't like each other.

So I ask again what was the long term plan for the EU if we had remained with its massive issues with the Euro,Migrant crisis, expansion Eastwards,massive unemployment, next to zero growth etc etc etc.........

You claim the Brexit voters didn't have a plan but the fact is neither did you remainers .......

Let's keep this on point. It is you who need to explain.

Yamumuk

bobobski wrote: »

I for one am getting tired of being treated as an idiot who couldn't see through the lies on BOTH sides of the debate. Brexit was something I wanted for years, formed through my studies of economics and law. Yes some people were misled, on BOTH sides - that does not mean that I am a moron who blindly voted. My reasons were similar to those stated above: the EU is discriminatory and anti-globalisation. On top of that, it has destroyed parliamentary sovereignty and, to a certain extent, democracy.


So please stop with the sweeping comments about "Brexiters" being racist idiots.

I forgot to add: I know several people who blindly voted remain, because that's what their friends told them to do, and I don't know anyone who blindly voted leave.

And for a lighthearted touch: "are you a Unilever or a Uniremainer?" <-- little joke I heard this week.

Getting tired ? I hope not you started it, long way to go, years and years. So at least take responsibility for your collective actions and deal with it after having voted for it.

Take responsibility for your actions Brexiters in whatever way that might manifest. Stop brushing serious economic problems under the carpet with one liners, P poor optimistic sayings, "That was going to happen anyway, remainers had no plan, now we have freedom, now we have sovereignty, now we have control"

Complete BS, you have everything to prove now, tomorrow, next week, next month and year and beyond so do so or stop the clap trap conjecture responses as if you were experts. Remember those.

Thrugelmir

Yamumuk wrote: »

Getting tired ? I hope not you started it, long way to go, years and years. So at least take responsibility for your collective actions and deal with it after having voted for it.

Take responsibility for your actions Brexiters in whatever way that might manifest. Stop brushing serious economic problems under the carpet with one liners, P poor optimistic sayings, "That was going to happen anyway, remainers had no plan, now we have freedom, now we have sovereignty, now we have control"

Complete BS, you have everything to prove now, tomorrow, next week, next month and year and beyond so do so or stop the clap trap conjecture responses as if you were experts. Remember those.

Complete BS is when there's endless ramblings with no essence of facts involved. At least debate the issue properly. Good debate is healthy.

mrginge

BobQ wrote: »

But what you have done is destroy the hopes of milions of ordinary Labour supporters who wanted a Labour Party to fight for its interests

Of course you do not, those who infiltrate a party and change it from within, exploiting the apathy of its core supporters rarely do recognise the party they are destroying. The infiltration is what has caused the spanking not the PLP.

But the deed is done. The question now is whether those in the PLP have the ba!!s to make the break.

The only people to blame for the state of the Labour Party are the MPs who thought that it would be a good idea to put a token socialist on the ballot in the first place.

chucknorris

leveller2911 wrote: »

You claim the Brexit voters didn't have a plan but the fact is neither did you remainers .......

I'm surprised people didn't have plans, we have always had an outline plan for what we want to do at least for the following decade, but our plan wasn't that different whichever way the vote was going to go. Prior to the vote I moved completely out of the ftse 250 and switched into the ftse 100. After the vote was 'leave' we slightly accelerated our plan to sell property (one on the market now and another is going on the market next month) and move into equities, and we may also invest in corporate bonds earlier than originally anticipated (that would otherwise have gone into equities), I'm still thinking that over though, it depends how the markets are when we release the property equity.

Moby

Us remainers never needed a plan. I was happy with things the way they were. I wasn't interested in the internal splits of the tories and the future was good in the long term. Now some of the consequences of Brexit are beginning to knock on the door our future has changed. The loudest knock is the tumble in the value of the pound. It has slumped a long way against the euro and I plunged even more dramatically against the dollar. “Take back control” served the Brexiteer elite well as a slogan and their racist cheerleading thickos lapped it up. Although effective it was also a highly misleading guide to what would happen in a world in which the reality is a government does not have real sovereignty even over its currency. A pound is only worth as much as the world is willing to pay for it. If the world starts to believe that Britain’s economic prospects have deteriorated and that the country has become a less attractive destination for foreign investment, then the world will be less inclined to hold pounds. If the world starts to think that Britain is becoming less politically stable, a more unpredictable place to do business and a more risky country to lend to, then the world will be even less enthusiastic about owning pounds.

The slumping value of sterling tells us that this is exactly what the world now thinks. Markets are reacting to a government that is on a trajectory towards a “hard” Brexit that will be incompatible with remaining within the single market and may well see Britain’s departure from the European customs union as well. Companies are also becoming spooked as they grasp how protracted the negotiation with the EU is going to be. We have also gone down from being the 5th to the 6th richest country.

Inflation will kick in soon and the xenephobic, semi educated hordes of Brexit Britain who thought that shutting the door on the immigrants would make their world a better place will be seen for the mugs they are. Ever the victims, too slow to be internationalist in outlook they have screwed things for the rest of us as well.........those who can't get Irish passports anyway. Sturgeon I see is also digging a tunnel to effect escape for her crew from the sinking ship of Brexit Britain.What I say is well done to the 52%.....you've screwed the future prospects of your own country for years to come and probably ended the Union in the process. It will be long, slow and painful.

prosaver

Ive notice labour only gets in power when the countries doing well...then blow all the money. ..
Its like the conservative s are the clean up party. ....
Probably why labours acting all ar5ey...

prosaver

Project fear ...still here

Anyway bremoans must know something more than these people...i think u should tell them...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36901027