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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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setmefree2 wrote: »Conclusion - Ignore the Referendum result. People didn't vote to take back control of their trade deals.
Conclusion - Ignore the referendum result people didn't vote to take back control of their immigration policy.
Conclusion - Ignore the referendum result people are thick and us, the elite, know better.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/10/paul-mason-how-left-should-respond-brexit
Where is the £350 million a week for the NHS (rather than the Tory cuts announced yesterday)?
Where is the increase in the standard of living for average people coming from (rather than the £800 a year Brexit is actually going to cost the low paid)?
Where is this brave new world of export markets that British wholesalers have somehow been unable to find themselves?
Where is the Tory 2015 manifesto promise to never take Britiain out of the single market or 'do anything harmful to the United Kingdom?
They are nowhere because Leave was a campaign predicated entirely on lies and dogwhistle politics designed to attract racists and the ill informed.
Considering nothing Leave promised is going to happen, or even ever could happen, and were there another referendum then enough people would switch their vote to Remain, then yes, the vote should be revisited.0 -
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ruggedtoast wrote: »Where is the £350 million a week for the NHS (rather than the Tory cuts announced yesterday)?
Where is the increase in the standard of living for average people coming from (rather than the £800 a year Brexit is actually going to cost the low paid)?
Where is this brave new world of export markets that British wholesalers have somehow been unable to find themselves?
Where is the Tory 2015 manifesto promise to never take Britiain out of the single market or 'do anything harmful to the United Kingdom?
They are nowhere because Leave was a campaign predicated entirely on lies and dogwhistle politics designed to attract racists and the ill informed.
Considering nothing Leave promised is going to happen, or even ever could happen, and were there another referendum then enough people would switch their vote to Remain, then yes, the vote should be revisited.
Where were the Labour party prior to the vote? Totally vacant. As on the majority of topics lacking any coherent policies or vision. Simply being anti Tory doesn't add anything to the debate. Just inept dribble. If you want to change UK politics you need to have positive vibes not simply come across as putrid and obnoxious. Not a vote winner. Totally the reverse. I'd go as far as saying losing core vote.0 -
Heard on the R4 newsquiz this week: "Unilever, the S.P.E.C.T.R.E. of the food distribution business".I for one am getting tired of being treated as an idiot who couldn't see through the lies on BOTH sides of the debate. Brexit was something I wanted for years, formed through my studies of economics and law. Yes some people were misled, on BOTH sides - that does not mean that I am a moron who blindly voted. My reasons were similar to those stated above: the EU is discriminatory and anti-globalisation. On top of that, it has destroyed parliamentary sovereignty and, to a certain extent, democracy.
So please stop with the sweeping comments about "Brexiters" being racist idiots.
I forgot to add: I know several people who blindly voted remain, because that's what their friends told them to do, and I don't know anyone who blindly voted leave.
And for a lighthearted touch: "are you a Unilever or a Uniremainer?" <-- little joke I heard this week.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Where were the Labour party prior to the vote? Totally vacant. As on the majority of topics lacking any coherent policies or vision. Simply being anti Tory doesn't add anything to the debate. Just inept dribble. If you want to change UK politics you need to have positive vibes not simply come across as putrid and obnoxious. Not a vote winner. Totally the reverse. I'd go as far as saying losing core vote.
Putrid obnoxious politics is swaggering around number 10, swelling the fetid ranks of UKIP meetings and kicking in Eastern Europeans on our streets, actually.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Where were the Labour party prior to the vote? Totally vacant. As on the majority of topics lacking any coherent policies or vision. Simply being anti Tory doesn't add anything to the debate. Just inept dribble. If you want to change UK politics you need to have positive vibes not simply come across as putrid and obnoxious. Not a vote winner. Totally the reverse. I'd go as far as saying losing core vote.
Their leadership has been anti-EU for years, so it's no surprise really. And really, if Labour membership aren't happy about the referendum result then more fool them for electing a Eurosceptic.“I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled.” - P.G. Wodehouse0 -
Their leadership has been anti-EU for years, so it's no surprise really. And really, if Labour membership aren't happy about the referendum result then more fool them for electing a Eurosceptic.
Corbyn's stance suggested his personal vote was in the exit camp.
Making mischief after the event is a cheap way of scoring points. As knows that Brexit will happen whatever. Clear sign of weak leadership skills.0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »Putrid obnoxious politics is swaggering around number 10, swelling the fetid ranks of UKIP meetings and kicking in Eastern Europeans on our streets, actually.
I would really like Labour to survive and get back into power. But I am resigned to the fact it will not happen for the reasons Thrugelmir states.
As an apparently intelligent man your unwillingness to acknowledge that Labour is imploding into a protest movement does nothing to help this country have a viable opposition party or credible alternative government in waiting. If it is to achieve anything in the future it needs policies that people will vote for.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I would really like Labour to survive and get back into power. But I am resigned to the fact it will not happen for the reasons Thrugelmir states.
As an apparently intelligent man your unwillingness to acknowledge that Labour is imploding into a protest movement does nothing to help this country have a viable opposition party or credible alternative government in waiting. If it is to achieve anything in the future it needs policies that people will vote for.
The Labour Movement started out with no parliamentary representation at all, it was a protest movement when the only parties were the Whigs and the Tories.
It then became a party of government.
We are quite prepared to do the same thing again.
I don't recognise much of the PLP as being in any way socialist although they do appear to be falling into line now as the Blairites crumble from the spanking they have been given.
Apparently Blair himself is considering a return. It would be most apposite if after having spanked the Blairites J.C. got to spank Blair.0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »Where is the £350 million a week for the NHS (rather than the Tory cuts announced yesterday)?
Where is the increase in the standard of living for average people coming from (rather than the £800 a year Brexit is actually going to cost the low paid)?
Where is this brave new world of export markets that British wholesalers have somehow been unable to find themselves?
Where is the Tory 2015 manifesto promise to never take Britiain out of the single market or 'do anything harmful to the United Kingdom?
They are nowhere because Leave was a campaign predicated entirely on lies and dogwhistle politics designed to attract racists and the ill informed.
Considering nothing Leave promised is going to happen, or even ever could happen, and were there another referendum then enough people would switch their vote to Remain, then yes, the vote should be revisited.
I asked numerous times pre referendum what is the long term plan for the EU?. None of the remainers on here have answered the question apart from Hamish (to his credit) ,who says "the answer to the EU's huge problems is more EU", which basically means a Federalist state which he holds the USA up as a model when in fact Belgium would be more appropriate and thats a basket case where most people want partition because they don't like each other.
So I ask again what was the long term plan for the EU if we had remained with its massive issues with the Euro,Migrant crisis, expansion Eastwards,massive unemployment, next to zero growth etc etc etc.........
You claim the Brexit voters didn't have a plan but the fact is neither did you remainers .......0
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