If we vote for Brexit what happens

prosaver

Falling pound.. when one door closes.......
Investment sources ...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/24/eight-times-foreign-investment-uk-firms-following-brexit-vote/

bobobski

Moby wrote: »

Us remainers never needed a plan. I was happy with things the way they were.

The biggest lie of the remain campaign was that things would stay the same if we don't leave the EU. To my mind, the worst institution within the EU is the CJEU, which is power-grabbing, always says "yes, we have jurisdiction" when it doesn't and has systematically increased the breadth and depth of the EU's reach. And then there are the politicians who are paid to do that as well.

You may have been happy with how things were but they were never going to stay that way.

prosaver

Some remainers were happy the way things were , why ... depends where you live...
Like if you lived in a cottage in middle england or somewhere rural and lifes been the same for the past 50 years....
Umm, sounds good, come to think about it

Moby

bobobski wrote: »

The biggest lie of the remain campaign was that things would stay the same if we don't leave the EU. To my mind, the worst institution within the EU is the CJEU, which is power-grabbing, always says "yes, we have jurisdiction" when it doesn't and has systematically increased the breadth and depth of the EU's reach. And then there are the politicians who are paid to do that as well.

You may have been happy with how things were but they were never going to stay that way.

Bottom line though as I've said many times......do you best effect change from within a institution or from outside. Remember many decisions made affect us anyway......regardless of whether we are members. The movement of peoples throughout the world is going to increase anyway due to communications and technological change. The mobile phone has a lot to answer for;)

Moby

prosaver wrote: »

Some remainers were happy the way things were , why ... depends where you live...
Like if you lived in a cottage in middle england or somewhere rural and lifes been the same for the past 50 years....
Umm, sounds good, come to think about it

Why were you being subject to hordes of immigrants taking your women and your property......while the remainers were living an idyllic life in the country. :eek:

Moby

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The Labour Movement started out with no parliamentary representation at all, it was a protest movement when the only parties were the Whigs and the Tories.

It then became a party of government.

We are quite prepared to do the same thing again.

I don't recognise much of the PLP as being in any way socialist although they do appear to be falling into line now as the Blairites crumble from the spanking they have been given.

Apparently Blair himself is considering a return. It would be most apposite if after having spanked the Blairites J.C. got to spank Blair.

Deluded of Brighton. Pipe dreams Rugged. We'll sit tight and wait him out ...he's nearly 68........his coterie is small. He has no-one to hand the baton to and his stance on immigration will ensure his constituency will not spread far beyond the 300k acolytes - fact!

wotsthat

Boris_Johnson wrote:

Britain remaining in the European Union would be a “boon for the world and for Europe”

This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?”

Brexit would cause an “economic shock” and could lead to the “break-up” of the United Kingdom

Boris wrote that two days before he told the, presumably, surprised David Cameron he was going to join the leave campaign.

A surprise to the naive who think only foreign politicians could possibly put their own best interests ahead of the people they'd wish to represent.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/16/secret-boris-johnson-column-favoured-uk-remaining-in-eu

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Putrid obnoxious politics is swaggering around number 10, swelling the fetid ranks of UKIP meetings and kicking in Eastern Europeans on our streets, actually.

Errr Corbyn voted against membership in 1975, voted against the Maastricht Treaty in 1993,voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2009 and didn't even turn up to the debate in June. He has opposed the EU at every opportunity.

You voted for him - you should have known better.

Buyer's remorse?

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Us remainers never needed a plan. I was happy with things the way they were. I wasn't interested in the internal splits of the tories and the future was good in the long term. Now some of the consequences of Brexit are beginning to knock on the door our future has changed. The loudest knock is the tumble in the value of the pound. It has slumped a long way against the euro and I plunged even more dramatically against the dollar. “Take back control” served the Brexiteer elite well as a slogan and their racist cheerleading thickos lapped it up. Although effective it was also a highly misleading guide to what would happen in a world in which the reality is a government does not have real sovereignty even over its currency. A pound is only worth as much as the world is willing to pay for it. If the world starts to believe that Britain’s economic prospects have deteriorated and that the country has become a less attractive destination for foreign investment, then the world will be less inclined to hold pounds. If the world starts to think that Britain is becoming less politically stable, a more unpredictable place to do business and a more risky country to lend to, then the world will be even less enthusiastic about owning pounds.

The slumping value of sterling tells us that this is exactly what the world now thinks. Markets are reacting to a government that is on a trajectory towards a “hard” Brexit that will be incompatible with remaining within the single market and may well see Britain’s departure from the European customs union as well. Companies are also becoming spooked as they grasp how protracted the negotiation with the EU is going to be. We have also gone down from being the 5th to the 6th richest country.

Inflation will kick in soon and the xenephobic, semi educated hordes of Brexit Britain who thought that shutting the door on the immigrants would make their world a better place will be seen for the mugs they are. Ever the victims, too slow to be internationalist in outlook they have screwed things for the rest of us as well.........those who can't get Irish passports anyway. Sturgeon I see is also digging a tunnel to effect escape for her crew from the sinking ship of Brexit Britain.What I say is well done to the 52%.....you've screwed the future prospects of your own country for years to come and probably ended the Union in the process. It will be long, slow and painful.

As a fellow Remainer I have to disagree.

Firstly, to suggest there is nothing wrong with the EU is plainly ridiculous. Apparently, if we leave the EU with a trade deal - then all 27 countries would be queuing up to do exactly the same. Not exactly a vote of confidence. Are you aware that 25% of MEPs are actually in a parliamentary party called Eurosceptic? They are MEPs from France, Austria, Belgium, Greece, Italy and Denmark to name a few.

To suggest that if we stayed in the EU everything would have been hunky dory is also equally ridiculous. At what point would you have thought immigration was a problem - if not a million people every 3 years - then exactly when? Are you aware that the EU wanted £60 billion in contributions from us over the next 2 years (that is net of a £30 rebate)? When would that have become an issue? What about when we had to introduce tax harmonization and we found that we had no control over raising taxes - would that not be an issue? Or when we lost control over our foreign policy and had to hand that over to the EU too. We clearly had no voice in the EU as Cameron came back with nothing, zilch, nada.

I voted for the status quo but I wasn't stupid enough to believe that the Brexiters weren't raising valid points. There was no easy route - staying wouldn't have been the Shangri La you seem to want to believe in.

So now the decision is made. Let's stop remoaning and instead start trying to understand other people's pov and do whatever we can to make Brexit a success.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Source products from elsewhere. Vehicles and agriculture are easily replaceable.

I know you don't mean that. Just think about that statement for a couple of minutes.