P45 need to hide salary to date

LannieDuck

pioneer22 wrote: »

I know who the CIPD are, as someone who has written a lot of references for junior staff I can confirm in Private healthcare and NHS salary information isn't given out

NHS job application forms (through nhsjobs) include a box for salary information. I'm not certain whether it's a 'required' field or not.

Undervalued

prowla wrote: »

I think that you should not be expected to divulge your previous salary, and indeed saying so (correctly worded) is a perfectly valid response to an interviewer.

That may be your opinion but a prospective employer is perfectly entitled to ask the question and expect any answer to be truthful.

prowla

Undervalued wrote: »

That may be your opinion but a prospective employer is perfectly entitled to ask the question and expect any answer to be truthful.

Yes, it is my opinion.

However, if the prospective employer does decided that they are perfectly entitled to ask the question, then declining to tell them the amount is not untruthful. Telling them what you need to be paid to come and work for them may be more constructive.

Remember that an interview is a two-way process, and the candidate is also interviewing the prospective employer; they may decide that the questions being asked are too intrusive.

In some cases, the way in which the question, if put, is dealt with may be more relevant than whether the specific answer is given. In some cases, the ability to "be creative" with the truth may be a desirable.

JReacher1

prowla wrote: »

Yes, it is my opinion.

However, if the prospective employer does decided that they are perfectly entitled to ask the question, then declining to tell them the amount is not untruthful. Telling them what you need to be paid to come and work for them may be more constructive.

Remember that an interview is a two-way process, and the candidate is also interviewing the prospective employer; they may decide that the questions being asked are too intrusive.

In some cases, the way in which the question, if put, is dealt with may be more relevant than whether the specific answer is given. In some cases, the ability to "be creative" with the truth may be a desirable.

I agree with you if we are in an idealistic world. However job interviews are very competitive and if you end up in the final few the chances are the interviewer will choose the person who answered all their questions.

I don't personally see why it matters whether the person interviewing you for a position knows what your previous salary was. Not providing this information does make you appear a bit difficult.

scooby088

We often move jobs for a higher wage, I know of no one that would move for the same money or less money, so hiding my previous wage by not giving in my p45 seems stupid

duchy

Most people change jobs because they feel they aren't valued in some way, often financially

Most employers would prefer to pay the minimum they have to ,to secure appropriate employees as if you employ twenty staff at say £2k a year less that's a total of £40k that can be used employing one or two more people or in supporting some other need in the company.

A prospective employee may be put off by an employer who wants to pay as little as possible and an employer may actually see benefit in employing someone who recognises their own worth and doesn't undervalue themselves. No two companies are the same and whilst some interviews are about skills alone others are more about how you sell yourself and see yourself.

Undervalued

prowla wrote: »

Yes, it is my opinion.

However, if the prospective employer does decided that they are perfectly entitled to ask the question, then declining to tell them the amount is not untruthful. Telling them what you need to be paid to come and work for them may be more constructive.

Remember that an interview is a two-way process, and the candidate is also interviewing the prospective employer; they may decide that the questions being asked are too intrusive.

Absolutely and I have said as much in earlier posts.

The prospective employee is fully entitled to say that they are only willing to take the job if the salary is £X. Equally they are perfectly free to decline to answer any question. However, realistically if they do so they must accept that they are reducing their chances of being offered the job.

What they are not entitled to do though is to is give false information, be that about their current salary, their qualifications or experience.

Interestingly there is one area where, under some circumstances, a candidate is legally entitled to lie. That is about "spent" criminal convictions unless they are applying for certain specified jobs where this right is excluded.

Gavin83

Undervalued wrote: »

Absolutely and I have said as much in earlier posts.

The prospective employee is fully entitled to say that they are only willing to take the job if the salary is £X. Equally they are perfectly free to decline to answer any question. However, realistically if they do so they must accept that they are reducing their chances of being offered the job.

What they are not entitled to do though is to is give false information, be that about their current salary, their qualifications or experience.

Interestingly there is one area where, under some circumstances, a candidate is legally entitled to lie. That is about "spent" criminal convictions unless they are applying for certain specified jobs where this right is excluded.

I wouldnt lie about it but I wouldn't decline to answer the question either. If they asked during the initial interview I'd just answer it honestly. If I then got offered the job I'd wait to see what their salary offer is and know full well it'll only increase from there. Surely most people apply for a job knowing what their salary expectations are.

I'd wait for the initial offer at which point say I was looking for a higher rate as I feel I am underpaid in my current role and I'm due to have a pay rise in the near future, also taking into account my benefits. They'll either increase their offer at this point, in which case you have a new minimum or they'll refuse, at which point you can just decline the position.

If they up their offer I'd say that it was closer towards what I was looking for but an extra few thousand would be enough for me accept the offer.

I think the real key is the same as any negotiating deal, be it buying a used car or similar. Always have a minimum price you'll be prepared to accept and if you don't get it walk away. Have a minimum salary you'd accept and if the company isn't willing to offer it then refuse the role. What that minimum salary sits at is up to you but be realistic. I wouldn't even consider a different company for anything less than £10k unless there was another reason more important than money.

If they want you enough they'll pay the extra. Better than lying about it, being employed a month and then finding yourself sacked with no redundancy or job.

pioneer22

JReacher1 wrote: »

You're wrong.

Employers can and have given out previous salary information.

Just because you have a friend in HR it doesn't mean you also know how every company writes a reference.....

I've seen references from Morrisons, ASDA, BUPA, NHS, Nuffield, Tesco, Reed, LIDL, ALDI, Care UK, GMC, Local Government so on and so on.

And I haven't seen any salary information on them some of those are the biggest retailers or companies in the UK.

Polarbeary

[QUOTE=Wayne O Mac;69810416

I hope your employer discovers this and fires you, my only regret is that you haven't left enough identifying information in your post that I could tell them myself.[/QUOTE]

Really? Vindictive and nasty about somebody on a forum you do not even know? Wow. Just wow.

How exactly would you propose to tell their employer?