P45 need to hide salary to date

pioneer22

References will have:

Name
Employed as
Employed from
Employed to

blah blah not legally liable for employing someone !!!! basically

Possibly reason for leaving< Most likely not though
Maybe conduct n

That's it, it will be some HR Administrator writing them from a template letter.

pippy1971

pioneer22 wrote: »

Pippy it would be interesting to know if you re in recruitment or HR?

I have an HR qualification and I formerly worked in recruitment for the aforementioned FTSE100 company. I currently work in local government in a senior management role in the finance function.

duchy

Darksparkle wrote: »

Just seen on the tax forum that HMRC do send previous pay details to new employers so doesn't really matter whether you give the P45 or not, they'll probably still find out.

I disagree
The P45 will be seen by the payroll department who really aren't interested in most companies politics outside of their own department (and are sometimes out-sourced anyway).

As for the person who would regard a new employee not having their P45 as suspicious. That made me laugh. When paypackets were made up in the office weekly then P45s were produced on the spot. Nowadays with payroll departments centralized and often in different cities or different countries many employees don't get their P45s the day they leave but sometimes not til after the next pay run is done and then the P45 is done. This can mean especially depending on when in the month an employee leaves it can be several weeks later by which time the new payroll department has already got the employee to complete a P46 so they can be processed on the new company's system. This has happened to me several times. I've never had a P45 the day I left after giving a month's notice it has varied from a few days to a few months in one case. One very large national company I never got one at all despite chasing them up several times.

If the OP is going from one job to another without taking time off in between the likelihood is he won't have his P45 when he starts anyway.It really isn't unusual at all.

pippy1971

As for the person who would regard a new employee not having their P45 as suspicious. That made me laugh.

Actually what I said is not having a P45 and not being able to explain why - if the answer is that they havent received it yet and that they wish to fill in a new starter checklist, fair enough. But if they said they couldn't /wouldn't provide one and that you would have to deal directly with the tax office to obtain the information (as the OP was suggesting), then actually I would wonder why.

For info, there is no such thing as a P46 anymore.

duchy

pippy1971 wrote: »

Actually what I said is not having a P45 and not being able to explain why - if the answer is that they havent received it yet and that they wish to fill in a new starter checklist, fair enough. But if they said they couldn't /wouldn't provide one and that you would have to deal directly with the tax office to obtain the information (as the OP was suggesting), then actually I would wonder why.

For info, there is no such thing as a P46 anymore.

Doesn't surprise me -I've had my current job for 8 years but the name isn't really the point as there is still a form that does exactly the same job.

I didn't see the OP say anywhere that he would refuse to give his P45 though just that he preferred not to if possible....and frankly as it is completely acceptable to HMRC that you submit direct then it is none of the company's business if someone chooses to do so.

I do find people who work in HR do tend to be quite gossipy and not always appreciative of confidentiality so if someone has had a bad experience I can quite understand why they wouldn't want to go through the same again. I had a friend who moved from a high paid sector into a new career in an entirely different field where the job satisfaction was higher but the pay scale dramatically lower. At lunch with her colleagues one asked her why she had taken such a big pay cut(and implying she had been sacked) -of course it was none of their business but the info had come from the question asker's mate in HR who had seen her job application (not P45 in this case but the principle remains the same ) People are entitled to privacy and to protect themselves from people who don't understand that confidentiality isn't just something to pay lip service to .

JReacher1

pioneer22 wrote: »

What a load of !!!!!!!!, I have friends in HR who have never and wouldn't ever give out that information. No employer ever EVER gives out previous salary information.

You're wrong.

Employers can and have given out previous salary information.

Just because you have a friend in HR it doesn't mean you also know how every company writes a reference.....

Darksparkle

duchy wrote: »

I disagree
The P45 will be seen by the payroll department who really aren't interested in most companies politics outside of their own department (and are sometimes out-sourced anyway).

As for the person who would regard a new employee not having their P45 as suspicious. That made me laugh. When paypackets were made up in the office weekly then P45s were produced on the spot. Nowadays with payroll departments centralized and often in different cities or different countries many employees don't get their P45s the day they leave but sometimes not til after the next pay run is done and then the P45 is done. This can mean especially depending on when in the month an employee leaves it can be several weeks later by which time the new payroll department has already got the employee to complete a P46 so they can be processed on the new company's system. This has happened to me several times. I've never had a P45 the day I left after giving a month's notice it has varied from a few days to a few months in one case. One very large national company I never got one at all despite chasing them up several times.

If the OP is going from one job to another without taking time off in between the likelihood is he won't have his P45 when he starts anyway.It really isn't unusual at all.

Not sure why you quoted me to say you disagree?

How can you disagree that I read something?

Where did I say it was unusual not to have a P45?

adindas

pioneer22 wrote: »

What a load of !!!!!!!!, I have friends in HR who have never and wouldn't ever give out that information. No employer ever EVER gives out previous salary information.

This is a typical response from the one who think he knows everything, he has a superior knowledge compared to anyone else just based on own’s experience.

My personal experience on both side of the coin tell otherwise. Also, this link tells the same thing …
http://work.chron.com/disclose-salary-reference-checks-previous-hr-22556.html

You could find tons of information which confirms this if you search it.

People need to differentiate between asking official work reference from a previous employer (e.g. from HR) and asking a character reference from a colleague / friend, etc.

When you apply for a job, depend on the type of the job, but many job will ask you to fill in the application form where you will need to put the final salary figure on it as an addition to your CV.

When the prospective employer want to know this specific information, or they suspect you exegerate your previous salary, they will put it as an itemise item to meet the satisfactory reference condition. Of course you or your previous employer are not legally bound to provide this specific information.

However, there is nothing to prevent the prospective employer to withdraw the offer when they do not get this information. Keep in mind any job will put satisfactory reference as a condition for acceptance.

It will also depend on the type of job. If the menial job on minimum wage, often there is no point to ask this specific information as the difference will not be significant anyway.

However the job which pay a large range of salary, it will make a real difference. Keep in mind the salary figure also reflect how much your previous employer value your skills. In the meanwhile, you have not had any chance to prove what you said in the interview to your prospective employer. So it is very relevant to your prospective job.

prowla

I think that you should not be expected to divulge your previous salary, and indeed saying so (correctly worded) is a perfectly valid response to an interviewer.

Further, a previous employer should not pass on that information, not least because it might get back to others of its employees (who might take exception to it).

However, you P45 and/or tax code may give an idea about what they were.

I think that it is not uncommon for people to exaggerate their salary if they do decide to use it as a bargaining point, but (as has been noted) telling a fib can lead to you being caught out.

When looking at a role, being interviewed, and negotiating the salary, you also have to put yourself in the position of the prospective employer; they will have an expectation of what they might wish to pay, and if you fall within that then you should be fine (regardless of previous pay history), and if you don't then (unless the skills are highly in demand or they've got their estimates way off) they'll probably look at another candidate.

bouicca21

Many employers nowadays have a policy of supplying references that state that x worked here from y date to z date and no more.

And in my experience many employers don't bother to take up references at all. When I've been involved in recruiting I have always insisted on references, largely because a company I was working for in a junior capacity way back when didn't take up references on a particular candidate only to find out within a week that she was totally incompetent, having invented her entire job history.