P45 need to hide salary to date

Preedyboi

Just to say, it looks like many people have no real experience in the real world of job seeking!

'Don't lie!' they say- sorry, but everyone tells 'white lies' in interviews, whether it be exaggerating their previous job role & skills, pretending they are interested in the job because of career development and not at all because of the hefty salary, or omitting certain facts about what are their weaknesses and strengths!

Most people on here have been really helpful and informative, so thank you. But some other people really need to get off their self rightous high horses!

Preedyboi

JReacher1 wrote: »

It's clearly not fraud.

It could however bite the OP on the behind if they find out.

It would be ironic if the salary they were going to offer was actually higher than the one they did offer but because his previous (inflated) salary was lower than they expected they reduced their offer

Yeah it would be ironic, ha bloody ha.

JReacher1

Preedyboi wrote: »

Just to say, it looks like many people have no real experience in the real world of job seeking!

'Don't lie!' they say- sorry, but everyone tells 'white lies' in interviews, whether it be exaggerating their previous job role & skills, pretending they are interested in the job because of career development and not at all because of the hefty salary, or omitting certain facts about what are their weaknesses and strengths!

Most people on here have been really helpful and informative, so thank you. But some other people really need to get off their self rightous high horses!

There is a difference between telling a white lie to exaggerate your current role and telling a lie about something that can easily be checked by your new employer eg salary.

In future what you do is tell them the real salary you are on but tell them youve got a pay rise coming in the next two months to a new higher figure.

They can't check that because a reference won't contain that level of detail.

I in theory get a 23% yearly bonus so when I am interviewing for different jobs I always tell them my current salary but stress the years bonus which is why I want a 15% increase on what I currently earn.

w00519772

I would be more concerned about being fired for lying. You have virtually no rights for the first few years.

What happens if your performance is below par and your employer wants to look into your past though. All the references I have received had my salary specified.

If I was an employer (which I am not) and I found out that an employee lied to me then I would not be happy and I would not trust them.

I am no expert though.

Gavin83

Preedyboi wrote: »

Sorry I don't mean to be rude but I prefer not to answer that, I don't think it's relevant anyway.

It's extremely relevant, although it's your right not to answer. Reason I ask is because if we're talking like a few thousand difference then you'll likely be fine. If we're talking like 5 figures then you'll likely have a problem.

Seeing as your unwilling to answer I'll assume you've exaggerated it by quite some degree.

Preedyboi wrote: »

Just to say, it looks like many people have no real experience in the real world of job seeking!

'Don't lie!' they say- sorry, but everyone tells 'white lies' in interviews, whether it be exaggerating their previous job role & skills, pretending they are interested in the job because of career development and not at all because of the hefty salary, or omitting certain facts about what are their weaknesses and strengths!

Most people on here have been really helpful and informative, so thank you. But some other people really need to get off their self rightous high horses!

The difference between those and lying about your salary is that the lie about your salary is traceable. If I tell them I'm interested in career development and not the salary they can't prove that. For the record I wouldn't suggest lying about skills either just in case you get asked to use them in your first few weeks.

If you don't wish to answer my other question answer this instead. If your previous employer tells your potential new employer what your current salary is will the difference be enough that you'll be concerned?

Torry_Quine

Preedyboi wrote: »

Just to say, it looks like many people have no real experience in the real world of job seeking!

'Don't lie!' they say- sorry, but everyone tells 'white lies' in interviews, whether it be exaggerating their previous job role & skills, pretending they are interested in the job because of career development and not at all because of the hefty salary, or omitting certain facts about what are their weaknesses and strengths!

Most people on here have been really helpful and informative, so thank you. But some other people really need to get off their self rightous high horses!

No everyone doesn't lie in interviews! I never did and neither does my husband. The salary isn't changeable in many jobs and saying you have skills you don't makes no sense as you will be caught out.

pippy1971

I have asked this at interview and it is relevant because in some industries where benchmarking is available, it is a good measure of how far the person has progressed in their current role and whether their salary expectations are therefore realistic.

I would personally be quite concerned about what a person had to hide if they couldn't provide a P45 or explain why they couldn't. In this instance, particularly, as others have said, if you are joining a large company where it is less likely to be picked up upon, I would just provide your P45. If they do pick up on the discrepancy, you could claim to have been referring to your total package rather than your annual basic salary. If you are as good as you seem to believe, they may be prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Whilst you are trying to promote yourself in the best possible light at interview and to a certain extent I would expect an amount of rounding up, say if you were on £33k to say £35k, I would not expect you to say you were on £35k if you were only on £20k...... I think there is a difference between exaggeration and more material deceit, which is what I think some of the other people on here have been getting at.

There are numerous instances of people getting caught out before or after they have got the job, at all levels:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4167204.stm
http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/2523-yahoo-ceo-resume.html

jm2926

This gets interesting where someone has been promoted within the company and as an internal move they have not received market rates. I have witnessed this on several occasions where the individual has eventually left the company and the replacement has a salary of 10-15k more.

If the exiting person tells their new employer their true current salary it will leave the, at a distinct disadvantage

Darksparkle

Just seen on the tax forum that HMRC do send previous pay details to new employers so doesn't really matter whether you give the P45 or not, they'll probably still find out.

Wayne_O_Mac

A_Liar wrote: »

Sorry I don't mean to be rude but I prefer not to answer that, I don't think it's relevant anyway.

If only you'd taken that approach in the interview.