P45 need to hide salary to date

Gavin83

surreysaver wrote: »

I don't know if it is fraud - the salary is obviously negotiable. Negotiations, by their very nature, involve withholding information, exaggerating, lying, pulling wool over eyes and blagging it. By advertising a negotiable salary, or asking previous salary, it is inviting negotiation. An employer would,I expect, have an upper limit of what they are willing to pay, which they will not exceed.

They really don't. If we take another example where negotiations are common, used car sales, if the salesman lied to me outright about the car during negotiations I'd have every legal right to return it. They couldn't sell a car at £2000 for example and advertise it as 'Now half price' when it was always priced at £2000.

Withholding information is another matter entirely but several posters have already suggested refusing the answer the question on salary would have been a better response.

I wouldn't go as far as some have to suggest the OP has committed fraud (although technically he may have, I'm no lawyer) but he could well lose the job offer over it and he'd have no one but himself to blame.

duchy

Have any of the "It's fraud" brigade ever actually interviewed prospective employees or work in HR

Nope didn't think so

Undervalued

Carl31 wrote: »

don't be ridiculous, its not fraud at all, a white lie at most, and one that probably 95% of people that have taken a new job have done

Fraud, that is exactly what it is.

It used to be called "obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception" but that and a number of other offences were combined into a revision of the Fraud act.

The OP, by their own admission, lied to a prospective employer in order to obtain a higher salary. The were fully entitled to say "i am not prepared to work for you for less that £X" However to falsely claim that their current employer was paying them this amount is against the law.

The whole point of this thread was to ask how to cover up their untruthfulness. Says it all really.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow

If two potential soldiers were being recruited to serve on the front line in Afghanistan, is it fair to pay one of the soldiers more money because he earnt more money in his last job?

If two potential theatre nurses were being recruited to service in A and E is it fair to pay one of them more money because she earnt more money in her last job?

No.

Gavin83

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow wrote: »

If two potential soldiers were being recruited to serve on the front line in Afghanistan, is it fair to pay one of the soldiers more money because he earnt more money in his last job?

If two potential theatre nurses were being recruited to service in A and E is it fair to pay one of them more money because she earnt more money in her last job?

No.

We're not really debating how fair it is to pay based on a previous salary. If we are I agree with you, it shouldn't be a factor and potential employers shouldn't ask it. All I'm doing is pointing out its not a good idea to lie as it may well still cost him the job. Lying to a potential employer is never a good idea.

There were other ways to go about it.

JReacher1

From total jobs



Unless you’re discussing your first full-time job, it’s highly unlikely that your prospective employer won't ask you about your current salary. We know it’s very tempting to bump up your current wage to boost your chances of getting more money... Stop! 99% of employers will check your salary claims when they take up your references, so if you’ve lied you can expect all sorts of trouble. Unless you want to risk being sacked days into a new job - never a good look - stick to the truth.

http://www.totaljobs.com/careers-advice/interviews/how-to-negotiate-your-salary

Preedyboi

boo_star wrote: »

On the face of it, it's textbook fraud. The only saving grace would be if the employer offered them the salary regardless of their current income.

Textbook fraud?? Do you live in the real world?

Majestic12

Preedyboi wrote: »

Textbook fraud?? Do you live in the real world?

Did you read the post above? Employers do take references and can ask for previous salary. Then you are backed in the corner.

Preedyboi

Gavin83 wrote: »

True, but if the new employers find out they are well within their rights to withdraw the job offer. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't as they'd view it as dishonesty (which it is, whatever way you label it) which doesn't look good for the future employment.

However, once again the OP has ignored my post so we've no idea how much of a problem this actually is.

I'll try again, how much did you exaggerate your salary?

Sorry I don't mean to be rude but I prefer not to answer that, I don't think it's relevant anyway.

JReacher1

It's clearly not fraud.

It could however bite the OP on the behind if they find out.

It would be ironic if the salary they were going to offer was actually higher than the one they did offer but because his previous (inflated) salary was lower than they expected they reduced their offer