new bmw x1 or land rover evoke?

BeenThroughItAll

bigjl wrote: »

The popularity of the the vehicle new and used says more about the looks than any ones persons personal opinion.

What similar vehicle do you consider to be better looking? And to have a nicer interior?

A CR-V?

Just because it's sold well to a certain sector of the population doesn't mean it's good looking. Even if it does, why does it bother you so much that I disagree?

I don't consider any of the 'similar' vehicles to be good looking, and that's why I wouldn't buy a watered-down soft-roader. But I'm comfortable enough in my own mind not to be bothered that other people disagree with my opinion.

loskie

bigjl wrote: »

So in which way are either of those 2 vehicles better than an Evoque?

Looks? No

Depreciation? No

Sales? No

I am a confirmed Subaru fan but seriously the XV? I have only seen one in London total.

The RAV4 fell out the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

This is what I feel is wrong with the U.K.

A British Manufacturer (who owns the share is irrelevant) has produced a vehicle that they struggle to make fast enough and retains nearly 60% of its value over three years.

And some people still slag it off.

Why not be proud of what a relatively small company like JLR has produced.

It is also a proper off road er as has been proved time and time again.

Unlike an X1 that will likely struggle with a muddy field.

you seem very techy on that one and you have deliberately swerved Land Rover now being owned by Tata (Indian) the same company that own Tetley tea bags.
Looks are purely in the eye of the beholder. I actually think the Evoque looks ok. But if you are driving it doesn't really matter unless you are a narcissist and look at your shop window reflection a lot.

Depreciation maybe in % terms but not £'s

Ability any better for most needs I guess not.
Reliability and dealer experience well Toyota and Subaru would win hands down in most respects.

But each to their own.
Buy what you want and enjoy. Too many folks looking for reassurance as to what everyone else thinks.
As for having only seen one XV in London! Well that means nothing does it? How many egotistical Londoners really need a 4x4 and how many actually own or can even afford to lease what they drive?

RichardD1970

loskie wrote: »

you have deliberately swerved Land Rover now being owned by Tata (Indian) the same company that own Tetley tea bags.

And a hell of a lot more.

Why does that matter?

They have done what a few previous owners haven't managed - taken two ailing car manufacturers from the brink of collapse to an extremely profitable business and invested billions into British manufacturing. Over doubling the direct workforce (with more to follow, hopefully) and providing jobs for 1000's more in the supply chain and partner businesses.

:T

(and yes, I am slightly biased as I work for them , earning a damn good wage for the type of work I do :beer:)

Gloomendoom

RichardD1970 wrote: »

And a hell of a lot more.

Why does that matter?

They have done what a few previous owners haven't managed - taken two ailing car manufacturers from the brink of collapse to an extremely profitable business and invested billions into British manufacturing. Over doubling the direct workforce (with more to follow, hopefully) and providing jobs for 1000's more in the supply chain and partner businesses.

What two ailing car manufacturers were they?

Ford sold Jaguar and Land Rover to Tata because they were successful. Successful companies fetch more money.

RichardD1970

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/10310725/Jaguar-Land-Rover-1.3bn-Tata-gamble-pays-off-as-big-cat-purrs-at-last.html

Ford invested very heavily because they wanted to be in the premier part of the market,” said Prof Bailey. “They messed up for a long time but towards the end they were getting things right in terms of re-positioning JLR as a major player. They had a great product pipeline going but simply ran out of cash.

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/business-news/jlr-would-ruined-ford-says-7398872

When Mr Mulally came to Ford in 2006, the car-maker was in a perilous position and that year went on to post losses of £10 billion.

Since then its fortunes have been turned around and last year it made a profit of £4.2 billion.

Just a year later, in the depths of the recession, Jaguar Land Rover was also facing an uncertain future, with jobs cuts, a two-year wage freeze for workers and suppliers going bust.

Even when things, stabilised the firm was still planning to close one of its three UK plants.

Gloomendoom

He said: "From Ford's point of view, it was a disaster because they were just about to start seeing the benefits of the massive investment they had made in both Jaguar and Land Rover.

Does that sound like an ailing company on the brink of collapse?

burlington6

bigjl wrote: »

You are going to have to explain that a bit better as it makes zero sense.

You do realise that I consider an Evoque to be as much of a Range Rover as any other model.

And why are you mentioning a Discovery?

As that is a Land Rover not a Range Rover branded vehicle.

Do you consider the Discovery Sport in the same league as the Discovery?

burlington6

And Land Rover and Range Rovers ( for those of you who think they're different) are a pile of dog dirt. Yes they look good but are pathetic in terms of reliability. The defender feels like a child built it, the Range Rovers are loaded with kit that will let you down. I've owned them, sold them and never gone back.

burlington6

bigjl wrote: »

You are going to have to explain that a bit better as it makes zero sense.

You do realise that I consider an Evoque to be as much of a Range Rover as any other model.

And why are you mentioning a Discovery?

As that is a Land Rover not a Range Rover branded vehicle.

Get real. They are the same.

RichardD1970

Gloomendoom wrote: »

Does that sound like an ailing company on the brink of collapse?

Well considering Ford paid $5.8 billion for both and then sold them off to Tata for $2.3 something must have gone wrong.

Ford had run out of money to continue to invest and things were not looking good with redundancies, talk of plant closures and pay freezes.

If someone hadn't stepped in then, yes things could quite easily have gone belly up.

This was only a couple of years after MG Rover had crashes and a lot of the people I know who worked at JLR fully expected it to go the same way.