MSE News: 1.2m UK vehicles to be 'corrected' in Volkswagen emissions scandal

Youllforeverbeamanmyson

WellKnownSid wrote: »

That's the point, they may not have to. If you live in the EU then the NOx limit is much higher. Real world testing had already shown VW Euro-V engines were performing better in terms of NOx emissions than most other manufacturers last year - so they must have been doing something right ("Costing the Earth - last week on Radio 4.

Thanks Sid, now we're getting to the nub. As I said, I am no expert, but I found yesterday that my car is affected and I am trying to figure out what the most likely outcome is going to be. So you're saying that may recall the car just to remove the cheat programme?

WellKnownSid wrote: »

Its the badge on the front and the concern about it not being as brilliant as the marketing may have suggested.

Everyone buys every product on the basis of the perception of the brand and its perceived intrinsic value. If we didn't we would all be driving a Dacia or all cars would look exactly the same. But you are bang on except for the word 'may'. The marketing 'did' suggest. What's more it suggested it was something it now turns out not to be as a result of corporate negligence ( I find it difficult to believe this is the work of one man. Possibly creeping into the plant at midnight like the Elves and the shoemaker??) this is false representation and as I said if VAG cannot rectify the issue without changing the characteristics of the car or reducing its intrinsic value then there are grounds for a successful legal claim.

Please don't get me wrong. I have found the salesman, and the dealer I bought the car from to be faultless so far in terms of customer focus and I liked the car when I bought it. I like it now. But I will end up financially out of pocket as a result of this mess. Hopefully it will all get sorted without me having to give the car back to Audi and request an equivalent, or have to go to court.

cepheus

Remember the thread on DPF removal? Remember, the government have been turning a blind eye to behaviour far worse than VW have been involved in. Why don't they shut these garages down? Just like tax evasion, because they don't want to. Introduce a law and don't enforce it.

Diesels illegally pumping out pollutants after garages remove filters designed to cut emissions.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/motoring-news/diesel-cars-illegally-pump-out-dangerous-pollutants-after-garages-remove-filters-designed-to-cut-a6689191.html

Johno100

cepheus wrote: »

Remember the thread on DPF removal? Remember, the government have been turning a blind eye to behaviour far worse than VW have been involved in. Why don't they shut these garages down? Just like tax evasion, because they don't want to. Introduce a law and don't enforce it.



http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/motoring-news/diesel-cars-illegally-pump-out-dangerous-pollutants-after-garages-remove-filters-designed-to-cut-a6689191.html

Isn't the bigger scandal here that motor manufacturers are mis-selling diesel vehicles to those whose annual mileage/driving habits are not suited to DPF equipped vehicles, resulting in large unexpected bills after covering only a modest mileage? It shouldn't really be a surprise that individuals will look for ways to reduce that repair bill and prevent a re-occurrence further down the line.

cepheus

Johno100 wrote: »

Isn't the bigger scandal here that motor manufacturers are mis-selling diesel vehicles to those whose annual mileage/driving habits are not suited to DPF equipped vehicles, resulting in large unexpected bills after covering only a modest mileage? It shouldn't really be a surprise that individuals will look for ways to reduce that repair bill and prevent a re-occurrence further down the line.

Irrespective of DPF issues most studies have indicated Diesels are more expensive than petrol for low mileage users. This has been well known for some time. If dealers have been pushing Diesels rather than Petrol to such buyers they are at fault anyway. The same almost certainly applies to hybrid and electric.

But who in their right mind trusts salespeople? In all industries they have a licence to increase profit margins without regard for the customers best interest. This is one of the biggest scandals, yet society acknowledges it as the acceptable face of capitalism. I think salespeople should be strongly regulated or even banned in their present form, since they have a net negative worth to society as a whole, but this is far too an extreme view for many.

Everyone needs to bear some responsibility for us failing to meet air pollution levels: manufacturers who cycle beat, dealers who push unsuitable vehicles, governments and legislators who turn a blind eye, but also the dodgy garages who offer illegal tampering and individuals who allow them to do it. Blaming the problem on one another doesn't help.

inkiboo

I did wonder how long it would be before Captain Compo would arrive; turns out not long.

WellKnownSid

Youllforeverbeamanmyson wrote: »

Thanks Sid, now we're getting to the nub. As I said, I am no expert, but I found yesterday that my car is affected and I am trying to figure out what the most likely outcome is going to be. So you're saying that may recall the car just to remove the cheat programme?

Not quite that simple. As I say, if anyone at VW knows, they're not saying yet - and it will be instant dismissal if they do. What we sort-of know...

The U.S. cars will require an AdBlue system.
Müller has stated that the European fixes are 'mostly software'.
He has also stated that every car spec (engine spec, transmission, model) different so 'thousands of fixes required'. This would imply it's not as simple for all cars and that some combinations are closer to spec than others.

The papers have reported that something like 3.4m cars with the 1.6 litre engine require a hardware fix (the leak apparently coming from the German transport ministry). Speculation this may involve the same fixes as in the U.S. - but the ECU manufacturer for the 1.6L last week had also said that their hardware couldn't be 're-flashed' - so this may simply be down to the software fix requiring a new ECU to implement.

Horn stated the U.S. cars may take up to two years to fix vs the one year for EU cars. 1.2 million affected in the UK divided by 12 months divided by roughly 450 repairers divided by 20 working days a month is c11 cars per day being fixed per site. That's a lot of fixes but not out of this world for software or an ECU change.

But, as I say - pure speculation at this stage... Let's see what they come up with...

WellKnownSid

BBC quotes Paul Willis (UK MD at VW) as saying that 400,000 cars with 1.6l engines in the UK require new injectors as well as a software fix.

The remaining cars with 2.0l engines will only require a software fix.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34505593

Former_MSE_Andrea

Has anyone received a letter yet?

Carly & Liam on Twitter have

pstuart

MSE_Andrea wrote: »

Has anyone received a letter yet?


Yes, got one today for a 2.0 tdi Tiguan 2014

Confirms that my EA189 engine is affected, is currently safe to drive and no need for immediate action.

"Technical solutions are being developed and will contact me again when this solution is ready.

The repair will be at no cost and we will do our upmost to minimise any inconvenience".

This car is just right for me, it is 2 years into a 3 year lease and has recently been serviced by VW.

It would be my intention not to take part in any recall where its performance may deteriorate, so I will return it at the end of the lease and let them at VW MOT it and sort the programming before it's sold on.

cepheus

Meanwhile we have our home grown scandal