MSE News: 1.2m UK vehicles to be 'corrected' in Volkswagen emissions scandal

samtoby

I have a car (Tiguan) which is saying on the VW website is affected.

I have my car on hire purchase - do I have any grounds if its confirmed to exit and hand the car back? I am worried that if people can do this then it even more lowers the value of these vehicles as no one will want them?

samtoby

Surely it is not up to anyone to prove anyway about the reasons you bought a car - millions of people have got PPI money refunded and some of these did know they were taking it out and just popped a claim in and they have been honoured.

The vehicle is not as described?

Johnmcl7

Norman_Castle wrote: »

VW built a car that cheats the emission test. If VW, the maker of the car you own, hadn't done this but another car, bus or lorry maker had, would you be so defensive?.
"The public" include people whos health is affected by diesel emissions and who benefit from emission controls. I doubt they consider pollution control rules "overbearing". Its likely your own health has been affected by vehicle emissions.

We are already in that situation, in Europe VW are not on their own - other manufacturers may not have had a cheat device fitted but they've been bending the rules so far that very few vehicles are actually producing emissions within the regulations and many cars are going far over the limits including some which are producing far more than VW's. If you're genuinely concerned about emissions and the health implications, you should be worried about most of the diesels on the road.

The situation is different in America as VW either didn't fit an adblue system or didn't have it running correctly which was needed to pass within the much tighter US regulations. In the EU, rival vehicles to VW are using the same technology as VW and also fail the emissions tests in reality even the EU5 spec with much higher limits. This is all blamed on a poor testing system but regardless, the reality is most cars out there are producing far higher emissions than they should be. This belief that only VW vehicles are producing higher emissions and all other vehicles comply is simply wrong.

John

WellKnownSid

Johnmcl7 wrote: »

We are already in that situation, in Europe VW are not on their own - other manufacturers may not have had a cheat device fitted but they've been bending the rules so far that very few vehicles are actually producing emissions within the regulations and many cars are going far over the limits including some which are producing far more than VW's.

But, the difference being they didn't actually cheat the test. There is no smoking gun - agreed that real world and testing are two completely different things, the point is the engine in question couldn't even pass the test.

Interesting comments by the panel on R4 last night - the bottom line. Sir John Egan suggested that it was impossible for a company from the engineers up to not know what was going on and I tend to agree. They'd made the impossible happen - what no other manufacturer could do - with the same equipment as everyone else. The panel agreed that everyone would have known or suspected.

Also interesting that the head of the US business now claims to have known about this since 2014 when everyone on the board in Germany says they only found out in September this year. Oops.

kaya

If it was so simple to "fix" this issue they wouldn't have needed to fudge the tests in the first place and take the risks would they

randers

Johno100 wrote: »

So hand on heart you can say your primary reason for buying the car were the promised emission levels?

Hand on heart I can say I weighed up many factors, and that was one of them.
To use an analogy, if someone bought a tv which produced eg 40 times the environmental harm it had claimed, that person is likely to justifiably reject it even though they'll have selected it mainly for price/performance.

WellKnownSid

randers wrote: »

Hand on heart I can say I weighed up many factors, and that was one of them.
To use an analogy, if someone bought a tv which produced eg 40 times the environmental harm it had claimed, that person is likely to justifiably reject it even though they'll have selected it mainly for price/performance.

What NOx level did you think your car produced?

randers

WellKnownSid wrote: »

What NOx level did you think your car produced?

I thought it produced the levels they stated, like I thought other things were as stated. What are you trying to prove by asking? After 4 years I haven't kept the full vehicle spec in my head which is unlikely to be surprising.

jase1

spinybif wrote: »

Why should anyone be surprised, everyone works to the limits set by legislation - school teachers teach their kids to pass SATs Tests, driving instructors teach you to pass the driving test, VW build a car to pass the EU emissions tests. There is a constant war between legislators and the public who suffer from over bearing rules (and don't get started on Health & Safety Legislation !).

VW owners bought their cars for low VED & great fuel economy - my Golf gets 70 mpg without effort, KEEP THE NEW POLITICIANS OFF MY CAR !.

I take it from this post that you would think nothing of handing the answers to the SAT tests to your kids, then?

Former_MSE_Helen

Update: 8 October 2015: You can now check if your vehicle is affected on the respective VW, Audi, Skoda and Seat websites. To do this, you need to type in your Vehicle Identification Number (VIN), which VW says you can find in your service book or at the bottom of the windscreen on the left hand side as you look into the vehicle from the outside.