MSE News: 1.2m UK vehicles to be 'corrected' in Volkswagen emissions scandal

Johno100

enfield_freddy wrote: »

however , it could be activated , if the UK implemented laws like the US

But even if the UK did, it wouldn't be made retrospective for existing vehicles/engines.

enfield_freddy

correct but people would look at older cars compared to new , no difference , so they would implement the "modification" on older cars , at a strategic "safety recalls" , and no one would be the wiser , why else have this software installed?

slaterj20

_Johno100 wrote: »

Well you can always decline their kind offer and stay with your vehicle as you purchased it.

You could do that but would then forfeit your warrantee, as a friend found out when in talks with Audi.

WellKnownSid

Johnmcl7 wrote: »

At the moment, it's not known if the cheat device was even active in the European models

John

Yet it was. Worse news - 2016 cars have a different kind of cheat - one which may or may not be acceptable to certification bodies:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/11931840/Concerns-Volkswagens-latest-cars-have-extra-suspect-software.html

Faster warm-up tricks have been outlawed before - because they happened to be set to kick in when the temperature was at that expected of a test 20-30 degrees C - not when you'd expect them to i.e. when cold. Be interesting to see what else pops out of the woodwork.

There was an interesting programme on last week on R4 - the bottom line - which seemed to show how in every similar case (a) more people knew and (b) there were other problems. In the German papers they seem to think upwards of 30 managers in Wolfsburg were aware of the cheat.

It's like the BP thing - everyone likes to assume that BP was blameless and it was just the Americans being arsey - forgetting that over 200 risky decisions where identified leading up to the Texas explosion in 2005 - the exact same pattern of which led to the deepwater horizon disaster just years later. All of which came down to culture. Not direct orders from the top to be unsafe but a culture of stress, cost-cutting, and overwork which led to many risks and poor decisions being made.

System

Hi

Recently bought a VW for the first time, and now I am feeling pretty angry with VW.

1.6 litre engine doing town and motorway, getting 57+ to the gallon. Don't know the metric equivalent.

So the letter from Alex Smith states it's a "Service Issue" and this will "Rectify the Issue". He wants to reassure me, but does not say sorry or anything similar,only that I won't be paying.

I think other car manufacturers are DEFINITELY concerned, because my VW is a cheap and tacky copy of a Renault Scenic as far as I can judge.

Other manufacturers will have taken a 'blue motion' to bits and copied anything that suits them.

I Spy with my little eye, a worried motor maker beginning with "M"

So by the time my car gets sorted it will be out of warranty, and anything done by VW that could potentially cost me a small fortune to repair/replace the modified parts (software not excepted) that will wear out and fail before I replace the car.

Injectors, new price? Catalyser, new astonomical price?
A potential way to recoup the costs spread over the longer term.

I am just bloody angry with VW.

tykesi

johndough wrote: »

I think other car manufacturers are DEFINITELY concerned, because my VW is a cheap and tacky copy of a Renault Scenic as far as I can judge

Funniest thing I've heard in a while :rotfl::rotfl:

Admittedly the VWs aren't as reliable as they used to be but a Renault Scenic not being 'cheap and tacky'????

Hilarious :T

WellKnownSid

johndough wrote: »

Other manufacturers will have taken a 'blue motion' to bits and copied anything that suits them.

I Spy with my little eye, a worried motor maker beginning with "M"

You mean D?

Actually, it was the other way around.

BlueTec was used by VW under licence, but having spent a gazillion on engine development they dropped it. They had a much better and cheaper solution... Software.

System

Hi

I am particular and so VW touran is a cheap and tacky copy of a cheap and tacky Renault Scenic then.

VW have low standards and high emissions.

The New Touran is available from £22.240. Mostly I would go to 2 decimal places, but VW use 3. Still, under a pony (£25.00) for a new car seems like an absolute steal.
They are emitting press releases etc at a great (grate) rate.

Renault though price a scenic at.. Starting price £20,555. So not so cheap but still ...

WellKnownSid

After the German authorities insisted that a voluntary update was not an option, it looks like all cars in Europe will be subject to a recall.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34536573

What is clear is that they don't seem to have all the answers yet, as they are still 'working at full speed' on the solution.

Given that the rigging started in 2009, the models and engines of that era being technically obsolete. It begs the question: would they even have access to viable test models of all cars / engine combinations they've built since 2009 to allow re-certification let alone a full-blown evaluation of the impact of any changes, esp. on longevity?

It begs another question - having discussed the fate of the Phaeton and Bugatti - where does that leave a fringe-brand like SEAT?

Gloomendoom

londonTiger wrote: »

the widespread sale of diesel vehicles is a serious concern. These TDI vehicles are more common than petrol cars now in and around London. They all emit this horrible burnt plastic smell when you're around them and is a cause for concern.

Must be a London thing.

My car's exhaust smells like that of a gas boiler.