Engine failure within 5 years - where to compain

bigjl

Double_V wrote: »

NEVER EVER buy French cars.

What does somebody neglecting their car have to do with the Country of Origin?

Saabs had cam chain failures when following the service schedule to the letter and R51 Pathfinders and D40 Navaras have had camchain issues, the previous generation Navara also had bottom engine failure problems.
Let's not forget the German made Vectra which had real issues with the 2.2 petrol engine, fuel pump, fuel regulator as well as camchain and camchain tensioner problems.

If you don't maintain your vehicle it will break at some point, if the OP had spent £40/50 on an oil and filter change instead of one service in 3 years at 12.5k then it is unlikely this failure would have happened.

The oil in the vehicle must have been extremely Dark so a basic oil level check would have prevented the Matter from escalating.

bigjl

Stoke wrote: »

Slightly harsh.

Spot on.

His point was also slightly pointless. (NEVER EVER buy French cars)

Have a trip to Morocco, many vehicles are of French origin, there are lots of Dacias aswell. I think a lot of the local Taxis in Casablanca are now Dacia Logan's which is basically an old Renault.

90% at least of the vehicles airside at Casablanca Airport are of French origin, Peugeot, Renault, Citreon and Dacia.

Stoke

bigjl wrote: »

Spot on.

His point was also slightly pointless. (NEVER EVER buy French cars)

Have a trip to Morocco, many vehicles are of French origin, there are lots of Dacias aswell. I think a lot of the local Taxis in Casablanca are now Dacia Logan's which is basically an old Renault.

90% at least of the vehicles airside at Casablanca Airport are of French origin, Peugeot, Renault, Citreon and Dacia.

You literally couldn't have used a worst example in Dacia. Awful cars in my opinion. Renault seconds, which in itself is a bit of a joke.

However, the 205 GTi was arguably the greatest hatchback ever made. The 206 is a solid, albeit boaty first car for youngsters. The 106 is a better handling first car for youngsters who want a bit of zip round corners. The Saxo VTS is a rapid little hot hatch.

There's plenty of good Peugeot's and Citroen's I'd happily recommend. I shy away from Renault.... and laugh at Dacia. The exception is the 5 Turbo and The Clio Williams though.

AdrianC

Stoke wrote: »

You literally couldn't have used a worst example in Dacia.

...and not exactly French, either, since they're built in Romania and India by a Romanian company which just happens to be owned by a French-Japanese company.

bigjl

Stoke wrote: »

You literally couldn't have used a worst example in Dacia. Awful cars in my opinion. Renault seconds, which in itself is a bit of a joke.

However, the 205 GTi was arguably the greatest hatchback ever made. The 206 is a solid, albeit boaty first car for youngsters. The 106 is a better handling first car for youngsters who want a bit of zip round corners. The Saxo VTS is a rapid little hot hatch.

There's plenty of good Peugeot's and Citroen's I'd happily recommend. I shy away from Renault.... and laugh at Dacia. The exception is the 5 Turbo and The Clio Williams though.

Luckily your opinion is not overly relevant as to wether a Dacia is a worthwhile and reliable vehicle.

As they have been used in Romania for years and are now becoming more common in Africa were reliability and robustness is more important than Brand Snobbery.

And obviously what do Renault know about engineering excellence and racing.........

I must clearly have been really lucky with all the Renaults I have owned over the years.

The big issue with French cars, in the UK, is that due to depreciation they are seen and treated as disposable cars and quickly enter the run it till it will run no more school of motoring.

Owners tend to no longer fix things but instead bodge them and flog it, the next owner then doe the same.

I am going to Germany to buy a couple of Dacia Logan's which I will ship to Ghana to be used as Taxis, I will try to remember to report back so that some facts can be introduced to the debate. Most Taxis last around 2/3 years over there, the only modification is a Taxi sign on the roof and painting the wings Orange. Popular at the moment are Accents and Almeras. Though the Matiz and Atoz are also popular, there are also some French cars, I saw two Clios when I was over there for example.

Stoke

AdrianC wrote: »

...and not exactly French, either, since they're built in Romania and India by a Romanian company which just happens to be owned by a French-Japanese company.

I think they're Renault second's though, so the parts are from French cars.

They're absolute !!!!! though. I won't go anywhere near them, and that's not because I am a brand snob. I drive a Bangernomics car. They seem to be riddled with known design faults, right from the factory. Anyone would think they're a modern day BL. I know on the Dacia forum, many users have experienced rust around panels and in the engine bay as early as 6 months after purchase.

!!!! cars, !!!! parts, and just not worth the time or effort.

Stoke

bigjl wrote: »

Luckily your opinion is not overly relevant as to wether a Dacia is a worthwhile and reliable vehicle.

As they have been used in Romania for years and are now becoming more common in Africa were reliability and robustness is more important than Brand Snobbery.

And obviously what do Renault know about engineering excellence and racing.........

I must clearly have been really lucky with all the Renaults I have owned over the years.

The big issue with French cars, in the UK, is that due to depreciation they are seen and treated as disposable cars and quickly enter the run it till it will run no more school of motoring.

Owners tend to no longer fix things but instead bodge them and flog it, the next owner then doe the same.

I am going to Germany to buy a couple of Dacia Logan's which I will ship to Ghana to be used as Taxis, I will try to remember to report back so that some facts can be introduced to the debate. Most Taxis last around 2/3 years over there, the only modification is a Taxi sign on the roof and painting the wings Orange. Popular at the moment are Accents and Almeras. Though the Matiz and Atoz are also popular, there are also some French cars, I saw two Clios when I was over there for example.

Literally couldn't be any further from the truth with brand snobbery. I drive a banger, 85 miles a day. Being able to say "oh I drive a 63 reg Merc" is literally the least of my priorities boss.

As for Renault and engineering excellence, they know how to make a car with electric window mechanisms that aren't sealed, so when moisture gets into the door, the module shorts out and the window rolls down and stays down until you fix it. Engineering excellence that is mucka.

I know a couple of people who have had Renault's and they've been fine. I also know a couple of people who have had nightmares with Renault's. The GT 5 Turbo and the Clio Williams are stunning cars. It's no different to other manufacturers but I would say Renault's reputation, rightly, goes before them a bit. They aren't the most reliable mate, simple.

I'm sure Dacia's cut the mustard in Ghana mate. They don't have much rain over there for one.

AdrianC

Stoke wrote: »

I think they're Renault second's though, so the parts are from French cars.

The platforms have been hand-me-downs, yes, but as emission and safety regs get ever tighter, they're using more and more current technology. The Duster uses the same platform as the Nissan Juke, but was launched before the Juke. The diesel engines are the same family as Renault have recently started supplying to Mercedes for the A-, B-, C-, CLA-, GLA classse and Vito van.

Stoke

bigjl wrote: »

Luckily your opinion is not overly relevant as to wether a Dacia is a worthwhile and reliable vehicle.

As they have been used in Romania for years and are now becoming more common in Africa were reliability and robustness is more important than Brand Snobbery.

A brand new Dacia Duster. Features include ABS, Passenger Airbags, Power Steering, and rust inside the engine bay.

No new car should have rust mate. Not one. This isn't British Leyland, strike cars and all that crap. If they haven't got the hang of it yet, then take away what you will.

My 17 year old banger, with 150k miles on, has no rust in the engine bay. Galvanizing vehicles isn't a new thing mate.

bigjl

AdrianC wrote: »

...and not exactly French, either, since they're built in Romania and India by a Romanian company which just happens to be owned by a French-Japanese company.

I said French origin.

Dacia underpinnings are previous generation Renaults. So if that doesn't mean they are of French origin then I don't know what is.

Have a look inside a Dacia and see even more parts that likely have a Renault part no, steering wheels, gearknobs being the most obvious.

Is a Honda made in Swindon still a Japanese car? What about Nissans built in the UK?

Renault vans built in the UK are they to be considered French? Or just the Vauxhall versions? Would you consider the Nissan versions to be Japanese and the Opel versions to be German?

If the underpinnings are French then I consider them to be of French Origin.

The example of the vans comes from the previous generation Renault Master, I worked for a couple of different companies using various Ambulances on an AdHoc basic a few years ago.

The differences between the Opel and Renault versions was badges and seat trim from what I could see. The only Vauxhall one was an older shape but that was pretty similar to the older Master aswell

Would you consider a Renault Trafic a British built can due to being made in the UK?

And a Vauxhall Movano to be French due it likely being made in France? I think they make them in South America aswell but not sure if they are imported to the EU.

In my opinion were something is physically built does not define its origin.