Engine failure within 5 years - where to compain

Stoke

http://www.daciaforum.co.uk/forum/topic/706-do-you-have-a-rusty-duster/page-306

August 17th 2015

My Duster went back last Monday for the 3rd time phoned them twice today as I should be going away on Thursday so need my car with to bar they kept saying they would ring me back but did not I'm now getting very 😡

23rd August 2015

Confirmed with dealer , the annual corrosion check covers wheel arches underbody and sub frame . They do not go out the way to check the rest of the body work un less you ask them to do it . So if you are expecting them to find the rust on the outside of the car , forget it .

26th August 2015

My Duster was in for a tailgate respray in June. When it came back it had exactly the same problem, did not have it before. (Dacia say the item is called the tailgate plinth). It takes a while to fill then soaks you when the tailgate is opened. The plinth on mine is now actually going RUSTY.

DACIA SAID IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO CAUSE IT BY TAILGATE REPAIR. THEY LIE YET AGAIN.

It has been inspected independently by yet another dealer arranged by Dacia, who confirmed to Dacia that indeed I am correct. This was 7 days ago and as yet Dacia have not even been in contact.

Every time they do a fix they !!!!!! something else and then say it can't be possible, why do you think I have no faith in Dacia whatsoever.

Sounds like that localized production problem.... might be a design problem after all mate.

jase1

Dacias are cheaply made. They're no better than Chevrolet, and that stands to reason as they're aimed at the same market.

Mechanically sound but flimsy construction.

Stoke

jase1 wrote: »

Dacias are cheaply made. They're no better than Chevrolet, and that stands to reason as they're aimed at the same market.

Mechanically sound but flimsy construction.

Apparently they're better than a Mercedes mate.

bigjl

Stoke wrote: »

Heh, yep, although you'd be the first I knew of champ. My VW has 150k and the oil pump is fine. My old man's VW diesel is also fine. So's my uncles. In fact, the oil pump issue affected a tiny number of 2.0TDI's.

The redesign seems to have fixed it? From what I know of anyway.

For a long time Dacia did stick their hand in the sand for christ sake.

Just search for Dacia rust facebook. There's a whole group set up for Dacia rust problems with people calling on Dacia to do something. Just because they eventually moved their production to somewhere better, doesn't mean they actually helped those who are still suffering rust problems today. Buy a Dacia now, enjoy !!!! loads of rust tomorrow.... Great eh?


Two days ago, I saw an old rotten Peugeot van. Was a right rusty mess. You asked a dumb question, I'll give you a dumb answer.

I've never said all French cars are bad. I rate Peugeot, although older Peugeot are better, I rate Citroen.

I just don't rate Renault, as highly. My opinion.

Dacia the same.

I shall observe the unwritten law of Internet forums.

Never argue with an idiot they will merely beat you with experience.

You carry on talking rubbish.

But will repeat it once more for those will difficulty understanding.

The Dusters affected were all made in India and it was a local production issue.

Relating to RHD Dusters made in India.

If it was a Dacia issue then Europe and Africa would be full of rusty Dacia Logan's, Sanderos, Lodgys And Dokkers.

But the world isn't.

In fact Dacias have been selling well in Germany for several years, wonder why that is?

And no the engineering mistake that was the 2.0 TDi oil pump was not fixed, they just improved it slightly.

And let's not forget the VW !!!! up with clutches back in the late 80's and early 90's when the little kidney bean would fracture leaving the car with no clutch. It would usually fractured in the splined section. Wasn't a difficult fix, not that VW would tell you that and many people were told they needed a new gearbox or clutch and that it was not covered by the warranty.

Those two are examples of poor engineering.

If a tiny number of VAGs had an issue with paint quality caused by a production problem that would be very different to confirmed engineering flaws.

Stoke

bigjl wrote: »

I shall observe the unwritten law of Internet forums.

Never argue with an idiot they will merely beat you with experience.

You carry on talking rubbish.

But will repeat it once more for those will difficulty understanding.

The Dusters affected were all made in India and it was a local production issue.

Relating to RHD Dusters made in India.

If it was a Dacia issue then Europe and Africa would be full of rusty Dacia Logan's, Sanderos, Lodgys And Dokkers.

But the world isn't.

In fact Dacias have been selling well in Germany for several years, wonder why that is?

And no the engineering mistake that was the 2.0 TDi oil pump was not fixed, they just improved it slightly.

And let's not forget the VW !!!! up with clutches back in the late 80's and early 90's when the little kidney bean would fracture leaving the car with no clutch. It would usually fractured in the splined section. Wasn't a difficult fix, not that VW would tell you that and many people were told they needed a new gearbox or clutch and that it was not covered by the warranty.

Those two are examples of poor engineering.

If a tiny number of VAGs had an issue with paint quality caused by a production problem that would be very different to confirmed engineering flaws.

Firstly, I am not an idiot for having a different opinion to you. These things are all subjective. You think Dacia are knocking out better cars than Mercedes, that's great champ. I think Dacia's are written off Renault parts put in a car body made of cheese. I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. I would buy a second hand Volkswagen, Toyota, Honda, any number of cars over a Dacia. We're all entitled to our opinions mate and if your experience with Dacia is good, then you shouldn't be getting all irate about my opinion. It's worthless in the grand scheme of things.

Despite the evidence I've presented to you (Dacia owners insisting that the biggest rust issue they're facing is caused by the tailgate holding water) you continue to insist this is just a local production issue. It quite evidently isn't. There may be some rust issues caused by local production, however it appears that the tailgate rusting issue is a design defect, humorously solved by someone at the Dacia dealer taking a drill to the underside of the tailgate.

londonTiger

bigjl wrote: »

Luckily your opinion is not overly relevant as to wether a Dacia is a worthwhile and reliable vehicle.

As they have been used in Romania for years and are now becoming more common in Africa were reliability and robustness is more important than Brand Snobbery.

LMAO!!!! The only thing that matters in Romania and Africa is price point.

That's why VW still sells a mk2 deriviative golf in South Africa and sells the mk4 deriviative golf in China. It's because they're cheaper to make and sell.

bigjl wrote: »

And obviously what do Renault know about engineering excellence and racing.........

I must clearly have been really lucky with all the Renaults I have owned over the years.

Race cars are entirely different from production cars. Many race teams like mcclaren don't even make production cars (apart from the super cars).

French cars are jut the worst of the best. They're not !!!! enough to suffer the fate of British automobile industry, but they're just clinging on by the thread. They are unreliable and suffer from issues that should have been solved in the 80s (such as Engine dying at 25K mile). Compared to German, Japanese & Korean car makes, they're aweful.

They're just driven by Francophiles who wish they were French.

bigjl wrote: »

Most Taxis last around 2/3 years over there, the only modification is a Taxi sign on the roof and painting the wings Orange. Popular at the moment are Accents and Almeras. Though the Matiz and Atoz are also popular, there are also some French cars, I saw two Clios when I was over there for example.

I would not describe a car that lasts for 2/3 years as reliable or robust.

jase1

londonTiger wrote: »

LMAO!!!! The only thing that matters in Romania and Africa is price point.

That's why VW still sells a mk2 deriviative golf in South Africa and sells the mk4 deriviative golf in China. It's because they're cheaper to make and sell.

Actually I think you're both wrong. What is valued in places like Africa is ease of repair (and easy parts availability), which is an area where the Dacias are quite good.

It's the same reason the Lada has hung on so long. It's pretty robust, but the point is it's simple and easy to fix.

French cars are jut the worst of the best. They're not !!!! enough to suffer the fate of British automobile industry, but they're just clinging on by the thread. They are unreliable and suffer from issues that should have been solved in the 80s (such as Engine dying at 25K mile). Compared to German, Japanese & Korean car makes, they're aweful.

They're not generally as good as cars from the countries you mention but there are far worse out there as well. French cars are usually mechanically pretty decent, it's the under-developed extras (which the French don't go for) that give trouble. Hence Dacia having a better rep than Renault -- the bits that fail are missing.

I wouldn't personally buy a French car -- but that's mainly because there are Japanese cars out there that offer better quality at the same price. I'm not bothered about "character", I just want something that works, so the French cars are too expensive for what they are, for me to be interested.

I would not describe a car that lasts for 2/3 years as reliable or robust.

If the alternatives are only lasting 6 months to a year, then yes they are.

AdrianC

londonTiger wrote: »

That's why VW still sells a mk2 deriviative golf in South Africa

You mean the CitiGolf? Apart from it being Mk1 based, they dropped it six years ago - and it was always sold alongside the then-current Golf, as an entry-level model.

dannyrst

londonTiger wrote: »

French cars are jut the worst of the best. They're not !!!! enough to suffer the fate of British automobile industry, but they're just clinging on by the thread. They are unreliable and suffer from issues that should have been solved in the 80s (such as Engine dying at 25K mile). Compared to German, Japanese & Korean car makes, they're aweful.

From the Renault website:

In 2014, the Renault group recorded a 12.5% increase in new car registrations in a market that grew 5.9% and exceeded the 10% market share threshold (up 0.6 points). The Group increased its volumes and market share across nearly all markets. The most substantial growth was recorded in the United Kingdom (+41.9%), Portugal (+42.1%), Spain (+30.2%) and Italy (+28.9%).

- The Renault brand is the third largest on the PC+LCV market with 7.6% of market share (+0.2 points). Renault is the leader in France and has regained its position as the second brand in Spain. Thanks to the Clio and Captur, Renault succeeded in taking first place on the urban vehicle market (A and B segments). In the LCV segment, Renault maintained its lead for the 17th successive year (with a 14.2% market share).

- For the second year running, the Dacia brand recorded the strongest increase in market share in Europe: +0.4 points at 2.5%. In France, Dacia, the fifth brand on the market, gained 0.5 points to 4.9% market penetration, mainly driven by the success of Duster and Sandero (the third best-selling vehicle for private customers). In Spain, thanks to Sandero, the top-selling vehicle for private individuals, Dacia increased its market share by 0.7 points to 4.7% of market share and 45,986 new car registrations. Dacia also posted record volumes and market share in nearly all European countries, such as in Italy (2.7% of market share and nearly 40,000 registrations) or in the United Kingdom where Dacia has already conquered nearly 1 point of market share after only two years on the market (23,862 new customers in 2014).

- In France, the Renault group gained 1.3 points of market share, at 26.6% and increased sales volumes by 5.5% compared with 2013. With over 105,000 registrations, Clio is the best-selling car on the French market, while Captur is the most popular crossover. The Group has five vehicles among the top 10 best-selling passenger cars. For the LCV segment, the brand dominates the market with 31.7% of market share and a 1.3% increase in new car registrations.

I don't think Renault are doing too badly...nor are Dacia. Not sure where you are getting your info from.

londonTiger

dannyrst wrote: »

From the Renault website:



I don't think Renault are doing too badly...nor are Dacia. Not sure where you are getting your info from.

I meant the unreliability of British cars, not the sales. British automobile died because they were unreliable and not great value for money.