Windows 10

aardvaak

wymondham wrote: »

The license converts to Windows 10 as soon as you upgrade. I've updated many PC's only to then completely wipe and clean install and they have all activated.

Do you mean you have done a clean install back to Win 7 and it has activated and did you reinstall from recovery drive or go bak to Win 7 section?

Jivesinger

GT60 wrote: »

It is also on Microsofts web site

Sort of... it's a Microsoft community page; it isn't information that anyone from Microsoft has written or condoned. It isn't the same as Microsoft publishing it on their 'proper' web site.

esuhl wrote: »

Are you saying that Microsoft will refuse to convert the (upgraded) Windows 10 licence back to a Windows 7 one?

I think the licence 'converts' in the sense that you still only have one licence. You can't use that Windows 7 licence on another machine or disk when the Windows 10 licence derived from it is still installed.

However I think it's very unlikely that Microsoft will block users from uninstalling Windows 10 and going back to Windows 7. I think the 30 days just refers to the time before they delete the old files.

No doubt some people will have problems going back after 30 days, because some people have problems going back within the 30 days, but I'd be very surprised if Microsoft turn anything off for Windows 7/8.x activation.

I imagine someone will confirm it soon enough...

RumRat

enfield_freddy wrote: »

you can use the tile setup , I will continue using a menu method that I am accustomed to.


if I want to think I am using a tablet or mobile phone I can revert back to tiles , however I am not using a tablet/phone , so a conventional menu system works better for me

You never have to see any tiles in W10, even without a TP start menu.
Just saying....;)

50Twuncle

Jivesinger wrote: »

Sort of... it's a Microsoft community page; it isn't information that anyone from Microsoft has written or condoned. It isn't the same as Microsoft publishing it on their 'proper' web site.
I think the licence 'converts' in the sense that you still only have one licence. You can't use that Windows 7 licence on another machine or disk when the Windows 10 licence derived from it is still installed.

However I think it's very unlikely that Microsoft will block users from uninstalling Windows 10 and going back to Windows 7. I think the 30 days just refers to the time before they delete the old files.

No doubt some people will have problems going back after 30 days, because some people have problems going back within the 30 days, but I'd be very surprised if Microsoft turn anything off for Windows 7/8.x activation.

I imagine someone will confirm it soon enough...

I asked this very question of MS


"The Windows 7 license is now the basis for the free Windows 10 upgrade.
While you run the Windows 10 upgrade, you can NOT re-use the Windows 7 license.
If you want to free up the Windows 7 license, you can either stop using Windows 10 or upgrade to a paid retail version of Windows 10.. $99 for Home, $199 for Pro, more if you buy from your local store..
Incidentally, the Upgrade rules have ALWAYS been this way."

So - yes, it appears to be Reusable (as long as you don't try to use both at the same time !!!

esuhl

50Twuncle wrote: »

I asked this very question of MS


"The Windows 7 license is now the basis for the free Windows 10 upgrade.
While you run the Windows 10 upgrade, you can NOT re-use the Windows 7 license.
If you want to free up the Windows 7 license, you can either stop using Windows 10 or upgrade to a paid retail version of Windows 10.. $99 for Home, $199 for Pro, more if you buy from your local store..
Incidentally, the Upgrade rules have ALWAYS been this way."

So - yes, it appears to be Reusable (as long as you don't try to use both at the same time !!!

Oh, that is good news! Other than the privacy concerns and the fact the OS doesn't work without Classic Shell (joke), that's the main issue that was putting me off upgrading.

wymondham

esuhl wrote: »

Sure, but have you tried downgrading your Windows 10 machine to Windows 7 after the 30 days are up?

Are you saying that Microsoft will refuse to convert the (upgraded) Windows 10 licence back to a Windows 7 one?

no I've not done that. Not sure why i'd want to after 30 days?

spud17

Some of us have been trying to determine whether a Retail Licence will remain 'Retail' after upgrading to Win 10.

I recently posted these 2 links from HUKD,

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/software/operating-systems/1403707/windows-7-and-8-retail-users-cant-transfer-windows-10-after-a

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/windows-7-pro-retail-upgrade-to-windows-10/e73a407a-2e2b-44ad-b773-8b175474d473?auth=1

I've now seen this link,
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/sorting-through-the-changes-in-windows-licensing/

I think that means 2 - 1 against what Microsoft are saying?

Jivesinger

spud17 wrote: »

I've now seen this link,
http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/sorting-through-the-changes-in-windows-licensing/

I think that means 2 - 1 against what Microsoft are saying?

I think that article is very wrong - it says Windows 10 stores the Windows 10 Key in the firmware on UEFI machines, but everything I've seen from people who I trust more is that the key is stored in the Microsoft servers, not locally on the machine.

Also it suggests you should use software to lookup the new Windows 10 product key, which is pointless when everyone has the same key for a given edition.

So I wouldn't trust what it says about Retail keys either.

enfield_freddy

Jivesinger wrote: »

I think that article is very wrong - it says Windows 10 stores the Windows 10 Key in the firmware on UEFI machines, but everything I've seen from people who I trust more is that the key is stored in the Microsoft servers, not locally on the machine.

Also it suggests you should use software to lookup the new Windows 10 product key, which is pointless when everyone has the same key for a given edition.

So I wouldn't trust what it says about Retail keys either.

good point about the uefi bios


if you open a command prompt and type in slmgr /xpr a box appears to say that the MACHINE is registered .


If you do a clean install without an internet connection , the machine is not registered , until your bios code is sent to MS


if you drag a drive from a identical machine , the thing stays unregistered


I am fortunate I have an ISO of win 8 that has had the media centre incorporated , and no ser no is needed to make it legal on multiple machines , then upgrade to 10 , then wipe and do a clean install , all fully registered.


I have been having costomers come to me , that had legal copies of 7/8 and misread the install (for win 10) instructions and did a wipe out and clean install , only to find they are getting "bug" messages now.


a few have changed there cases , lost there discs or lost there paperwork , If I remember them (genuine) then I will help them

2010

enfield_freddy wrote: »

if you open a command prompt and type in slmgr /xpr a box appears to say that the MACHINE is registered .

I get:

The machine is permanently activated