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We are just off to the Chilterns area to celebrate our wedding anniversary. So, I googled it, as one does, and google bizarrely gives an address and telephone number:
Address: Cray's Pond, Oxfordshire
Area: 833 km²
Phone: 01844 355500No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »Queensland is scaring me even from this distance. If I lived there I'd be reading this article from the other side of the country as I'd have left: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2960666/Two-fishermen-missing-category-5-Cyclone-Marcia-packing-winds-300km-h-bears-Queensland-coast-residents-brace-giant-waves-flooding-mass-destruction.html
I spent a few miserable days in Darwin during Cyclone Thelma in 1998. It certainly wasn't a very plesant experience,and not one I'd like to repeat, although I did manage to read a lot of books.
Got up early today, to watch the Cricket :rotfl:Oh well the dogs going to get an early walk.0 -
It is great to have you back and posting L.
It is strange, we also were allowed a lot of freedom when growing up and thinking back it is amazing we all made it to adulthood unscathed. Before I had kids I would have agreed with you 100% but now I find myself copying the worst of the nanny state tabloid safety precautions. Somehow with something so precious and for which you feel so much responsibility it becomes impossible to look at risk rationally.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/8068626.stm
If we get a pool it will be indoor (or be it with lots of glass and opening doors) so it can be used year round.
Isn't that where responsibility should rest though? With people who have had the children?
. To make decisions as they see fit and set limits for their family ( to some socially acceptable standards). I think you get it right when you say YOU feel so much responsibility and impossible to looks at risk rationally.
When I was little one of my very favourite things was to go in the sea after hurricanes or big storms and get tossed up and dragged down by waves. I found the thrill irresistible. However, it was made clear to me that unlike my normal beach freedom, freedom that most would be aghast at, this was NOT acceptable unaccompanied by particular adults on the beach and so I used to wait. The fact I did it and knew how scary ( good scary but real scary) it was and how often I felt it might be too much made me understand the risk and accept the restriction.
Tbh, I'd probably be too scared to do it now:o but I remember how good it used to feel. Doing it taught me some risk assessment, and precautionary compromise.0 -
The thing is, child deaths are horrible for everybody, not just the parents.
I remember the weekend when LNE died and my kids were injured, while another child in another car was thrown from the car and died the next day from his head injuries. One of the police officers thanked me, with tears in his eyes, for having brought up our kids to wear seatbelts. I thought it was very strange that he was thanking me, when I had so much stronger reasons to be relieved that my kids were still alive. But he explained that traffic police hate deaths in general and child deaths most of all, and it was natural for him to feel grateful that he only had to deal with one child death that weekend, and not three. I think he had just come from the death of the other child.
It's incidents like that that prompt politicians to make laws about things like seat belts and pool fences and so on.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
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lostinrates wrote: »Isn't that where responsibility should rest though? With people who have had the children?. To make decisions as they see fit and set limits for their family ( to some socially acceptable standards). I think you get it right when you say YOU feel so much responsibility and impossible to looks at risk rationally.
As you doubtless know, I am a great believer in individual freedoms but unfortunately the kids that get drowned in Aus are too young to be able to assess risk and thus exercise freedom of choice.
It's not possible to have children in your direct line of sight 100% of the time: they wonder off to explore and then end up being fished out of someone's pool half an hour later.
Pool fences aren't expensive or onerous to have IMHO and most Aussies just accept that it's part of the cost of having a pool is that you have a pool fence. Doing it the expensive way with toughened glass panels is about $2,000 depending on the size of the pool. Pool barriers certainly save the lives of very young children:
http://www.ombo.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/5752/IP_CDRT01_Private-Swimming-Pools.pdf40 children who drowned [in NSW last year].......
The majority of the children (34 of 40) were under five years of age: Most of the under-fives (30) were aged three years or less, and more than half of the under-fives (18) were aged two years or less.......
Six children were aged between five and nine years. Three of the
six older children had a disability, injury or impediment that was
a contributing factor in their drowning.
Information about the standard of pool fences or safety barriers
was available for 37 of the pools, and almost all of these (33) did
not have a functioning safety barrier
Pool fences save the lives of young kids.lostinrates wrote: »When I was little one of my very favourite things was to go in the sea after hurricanes or big storms and get tossed up and dragged down by waves. I found the thrill irresistible. However, it was made clear to me that unlike my normal beach freedom, freedom that most would be aghast at, this was NOT acceptable unaccompanied by particular adults on the beach and so I used to wait. The fact I did it and knew how scary ( good scary but real scary) it was and how often I felt it might be too much made me understand the risk and accept the restriction.
Tbh, I'd probably be too scared to do it now:o but I remember how good it used to feel. Doing it taught me some risk assessment, and precautionary compromise.
Stuff like that is fun once you're mature enough to understand that there is risk. You don't understand that when you're one or two years old.0 -
The thing is, child deaths are horrible for everybody, not just the parents.
I remember the weekend when LNE died and my kids were injured, while another child in another car was thrown from the car and died the next day from his head injuries. One of the police officers thanked me, with tears in his eyes, for having brought up our kids to wear seatbelts. I thought it was very strange that he was thanking me, when I had so much stronger reasons to be relieved that my kids were still alive. But he explained that traffic police hate deaths in general and child deaths most of all, and it was natural for him to feel grateful that he only had to deal with one child death that weekend, and not three. I think he had just come from the death of the other child.
It's incidents like that that prompt politicians to make laws about things like seat belts and pool fences and so on.
Of course they are. And inevitably some will happen. Mine might have happened in the sea, on a pony. But they are risks both then and now I think were worth while. My father also dealt with child deaths ( often violent ones ) and he still managed to put me in some precarious situations. My mothers child was set on fire, on purpose, and she made sure we loved fires and felt safe and confident with them, not didn't have homes with candles or fires! People deal with things differently, while I think my parents were very adrift in some things I really admire how they dealt with those issues.
Frankly I think there is a lot worse than death, and life in a neat safe box for some of us is one of those things. I reiterate, I do not think its wrong for others to make different choices.
I think seat belts are great, I hate seeing kids clamouring over car seats. I think the car seats until they are in university is a bit restrictive.
. Unless their is an unplanned trip.....because accidents never happen on unplanned trips......these beaurocratic regulations cannot be policed effectively surely? 0 -
As you doubtless know, I am a great believer in individual freedoms but unfortunately the kids that get drowned in Aus are too young to be able to assess risk and thus exercise freedom of choice.
It's not possible to have children in your direct line of sight 100% of the time: they wonder off to explore and then end up being fished out of someone's pool half an hour later.
Pool fences aren't expensive or onerous to have IMHO and most Aussies just accept that it's part of the cost of having a pool is that you have a pool fence. Doing it the expensive way with toughened glass panels is about $2,000 depending on the size of the pool. Pool barriers certainly save the lives of very young children:
http://www.ombo.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/5752/IP_CDRT01_Private-Swimming-Pools.pdf
Pool fences save the lives of young kids.
Stuff like that is fun once you're mature enough to understand that there is risk. You don't understand that when you're one or two years old.
Gen.....children shouldn't be wandering off at one or two. That's why they aren't meant to be left alone. That's why taking care of little kids is so hard. little A stair gate on open door ways would do it. If a pool on some one else's property will get them so might a car, a bus, a spider or any other nightmare. Keep kids on their OWN property fence your OWN pools off certainly. It makes sense to child proof a child property0 -
lostinrates wrote: »Gen.....children shouldn't be wandering off at one or two. That's why they aren't meant to be left alone. That's why taking care of little kids is so hard. little A stair gate on open door ways would do it. If a pool on some one else's property will get them so might a car, a bus, a spider or any other nightmare. Keep kids on their OWN property fence your OWN pools off certainly. It makes sense to child proof a child property
They shouldn't but they do. It's simply not possible to stand and stare at your kids all day every day for 3 years. You'd go mad.
The other point is that pools are everywhere over here, it's not like Europe where they're a luxury. There's one in pretty much every street.0 -
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