Boys using ladies loos

ThumbRemote

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

Have you not thought about a fold up pram so you can take this and the child into a general loo rather than using disabled facilities?

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

Then the general ones should be used

Using Hawk30's example -

Hawk30 has acknowleged from their own post that they they could use the general toilet but chooses to use the disabled toilet as they didn't want to leave the pram outside.

I have to take my wheelchair in and can not use the general loo.

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

So your child can walk and therefore use a general loo its that she screams which is why you don't. So the argument about lying flat is no longer applicable to you then.

You don't like your child shouting ..but it is not a necessity that you have to use a disabled loo.

What this seems to boil down to is that you think parents with children should never, under any circumstances, use the disabled toilets. No matter what problems this will cause them, no matter if it's difficult to the point of impossibility to do so, no matter that this may even cause some parents never to go out with their children.

So out of interest, why should there be a toilet reserved for disabled people only, and not one for a parent with an incontinent 3-year-old?

fed_up_and_stressed

ThumbRemote wrote: »

What this seems to boil down to is that you think parents with children should never, under any circumstances, use the disabled toilets. No matter what problems this will cause them, no matter if it's difficult to the point of impossibility to do so, no matter that this may even cause some parents never to go out with their children.

So out of interest, why should there be a toilet reserved for disabled people only, and not one for a parent with an incontinent 3-year-old?

You seem to like to quote me a lot.

I haven't said there shouldn't be a seperate toilet for them. I have said they shouldn't use disabled loos. 2 very different concepts.

Abuse of disabled loos is why Radar locks were introduced on some non attended disabled loos.

moomoomama27

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

I have never said I have a problem with the person I quoted using the disabled loo !

How do you know no disabled person is waiting outside whilst you are inside ? You can't ! I'm often bursting and when mother and a load of kids come out after taking ages they weakly say sorry didn't know anyone was waiting.

Really annoys me as they could use a "normal" loo I don't have that choice.

If a disabled person wasn't there before someone went in, it's surely no different to arriving at the toilet and waiting for a disabled user to come out!?

It's very hard to tell sometimes who is and isn't disabled, and who may need to use the disabled toilets. A mother/father may be the disabled one, hence the hoard of kids, one of the hoard of kids could be disabled. Too many variables to be able to judge.

Quite a lot of toilets in our area now have a disabled/baby change area, so it's designed for two groups of people to use it.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that a baby should be left out in a pram, or removed so the pram could be stolen! Perhaps there's a real need for better planning when building/offering toilets.

fed_up_and_stressed

moomoomama27 wrote: »

If a disabled person wasn't there before someone went in, it's surely no different to arriving at the toilet and waiting for a disabled user to come out!?

It's very hard to tell sometimes who is and isn't disabled, and who may need to use the disabled toilets. A mother/father may be the disabled one, hence the hoard of kids, one of the hoard of kids could be disabled. Too many variables to be able to judge.

Quite a lot of toilets in our area now have a disabled/baby change area, so it's designed for two groups of people to use it.

I think it's unreasonable to suggest that a baby should be left out in a pram, or removed so the pram could be stolen! Perhaps there's a real need for better planning when building/offering toilets.

You are assuming that people who need / want these facilities would use them. I go to the trafford centre - this has areas for you g children to go to the toilet with their parents in the general loo however sadly I often find them using the disabled loo because it is closer.

I will say again ... Where a mother has a baby that requires a baby change facility which is in the disabled loo then that is fine however it is not the same taking walking child / children in for convenience issues.

It is very different to waiting for someone with a need to use the toilet rather than waiting for some person who can't be bothered to use a loo they physically can use.

I have never suggested the pram or child should be left. I suggested collapsable prams.


I wish ALL disabled loos had radar locks on them.

dandelionclock30

Disabled loos often are for baby changing as well. I worked somewhere where this was so. There was a pull down shelf thing for baby changing and a loo with grab rails etc. So It does happen that they are sometimes combined.
Instead of disabled people and people with children being at each others throats about loo access, I think people need to be a bit more tolerant. Also something needs to be done on a national level about toilet access. So many have been shut down over the last few years. Its not fair on any person whether they are disabled/ with children or on their own to be bursting for the loo and been unable to find or use one.
I think people run into disabled loos not because they are inconsiderate and selfish its because its better than them wetting themselves.

fed_up_and_stressed

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

Disabled loos often are for baby changing as well. I worked somewhere where this was so. There was a pull down shelf thing for baby changing and a loo with grab rails etc. So It does happen that they are sometimes combined.
Instead of disabled people and people with children being at each others throats about loo access, I think people need to be a bit more tolerant. Also something needs to be done on a national level about toilet access. So many have been shut down over the last few years. Its not fair on any person whether they are disabled/ with children or on their own to be bursting for the loo and been unable to find or use one.
I think people run into disabled loos not because they are inconsiderate and selfish its because its better than them wetting themselves.

Dandelion as has been said repeatedly on this thread it is not about changing babies on provided mats it is about people taking kids able to use provided general male / female toilets with parents.

I rarely see a disabled loo without corresponding male / female loos and those situations aren't what is being discussed.

dandelionclock30

Sorry I did'nt read the whole thing.
I think people do it because of how bad the queues can be. Some children do find it difficult to wait especially little ones.Obviously they should wait in an ideal world, but if they are bursting for the loo then they will go to the disabled one if its empty.
I thought a lot of disabled loos have Radar locks now? I know its not all of them but I've seen them in various places.

Georgiegirl256

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

Instead of disabled people and people with children being at each others throats about loo access, I think people need to be a bit more tolerant. Also something needs to be done on a national level about toilet access. So many have been shut down over the last few years. Its not fair on any person whether they are disabled/ with children or on their own to be bursting for the loo and been unable to find or use one.

Totally agree with this. Our town does not have even one public loo anymore....the council are determined to close everything down.

I don't now if this has been confirmed or not, but are disabled toilets exclusively for disabled people only? I always thought that anybody could use them if no other toilet was available and that they were marked as disabled simply because they are larger to accommodate a wheelchair and are fitted with the relevant equipment?

Obviously it goes without saying that a disabled person gets priority, that's a given. However, if there isn't a disabled person waiting to use it then in my opinion anyone should be able to use it.

andygb

Went into a shopping centre today, and had to go to the loo.
I walked out, because there was a bloke with two school age girls (both running around up and down the loo area), and to be honest did not feel comfortable in that situation.
They were definately older than seven year olds.

Mrs_Ryan

I've noticed in a few places I've been to there are separate parents and children loos and I think these are a really good idea. As someone who generally needs to use the disabled loos I get really frustrated with the lack of access to them and if someone was in them simply because they didn't want to wait, kids in tow or not, I'd be a bit annoyed. Generally I'm not able to use normal toilets as although I'm not a wheelchair user, I use crutches to walk and normal cubicles are too narrow for me to be able to move myself round in. However I must say when I could use normal loos I've never had a problem with parents bringing kids in inappropriately.