Life on the dole!!

eamon

Goebbels would have been been so proud of todays media. It is astonishing how benefit claimants became responsible for all the economic ills of this country in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

whodathunkit

sulphate wrote: »

But like I said few people can actually live off that alone.

If they are claiming JSA but not bothering to look for work then that's the fault of the system/job centre that allows them to do that because they are supposed to attend a job centre every fortnight at least to show how they have been looking for work.

The phrase "benefit scrounger" is becoming more and more well used but the simple fact is that benefit scroungers wouldn't exist if the system didn't allow them to do exactly that.

Would I like to live in a house that looked like it had never been cleaned, having 8 kids etc in 3-4 bedrooms? No thanks.

If someone does something wrong, whether falsely claiming benefits or stealing something, the only person responsible is the perpetrator.

whodathunkit

eamon wrote: »

Goebbels would have been been so proud of todays media. It is astonishing how benefit claimants became responsible for all the economic ills of this country in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

I don't think I've ever read that opinion anywhere, although I admit to never reading the Daily Mail.

Transformers

eamon wrote: »

Goebbels would have been been so proud of todays media. It is astonishing how benefit claimants became responsible for all the economic ills of this country in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

I bags it - Godwin's Law!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

The fact remains that the people on that programme were real.

A 32 year old single mum had 8 children - didn't work and thinks she has a right to a bigger house.

Now, had she been working for a living and having to pay her own way do you really think she would have had so many children?

Sorry, but even the morality of choosing to have 8 children and forcing that single parent lifestyle on them is just immoral.

Why is anyone even thinking of defending that?

Morglin

Poppie68 wrote: »

It should be viewed as abuse...passive smoke has been linked through research over the years as responsible for Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, serious lung nfections and even Crohns Disease..
Smoking in pregnancy should also be banned...when i daughter was in hospital last year having her baby she spent 5 days there...i spent every day all day with her and every time i went out to my car or for a drink etc i had to wade through the scores of big bellied mothers to be who were puffing away after ignoring the midwives who were trying to encourage them not to go out for one.
It's actually a little upsetting to watch knowing were that smokes going...if wanting to protect babies and children by banning smoking around them is me wanting to conform to a nanny state well, where do i sign up!

I agree passive smoking isn't a good thing, any more than alcohol abuse is, or feeding kids junk food is....the list goes on.

But, in the sliding scale of child abuse, after working with it, it comes a fair way down my list of 'abuse'.

It's also the case that it wasn't that long ago, that smoking wasn't considered particularly harmful in pregnancy etc., - certainly not when I was pregnant, in the early 70's.

Thankfully, most babies before, then or after, survived healthily regardless, which still doesn't make it desirable, but, unlike hard drug addicted mums to be and parents, it doesn't make it a dead cert that it will cause a child to suffer, one way or another.

Lin

Transformers

One of the clips showed the baby being given Cocoa Cola in its bottle - that's just disgusting. What (life) chance does a child really have when they have parents like that?

Those kids are very likely to go on and replicate their parent's behaviour and so it goes on.

Morglin

Transformers wrote: »

I bags it - Godwin's Law!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

The fact remains that the people on that programme were real.

A 32 year old single mum had 8 children - didn't work and thinks she has a right to a bigger house.

Now, had she been working for a living and having to pay her own way do you really think she would have had so many children?

Sorry, but even the morality of choosing to have 8 children and forcing that single parent lifestyle on them is just immoral.

Why is anyone even thinking of defending that?

I wouldn't defend it, although I do defend a person's right to obtain the amount of benefits they are entitled to.

The show portrayed the worst of it - it would be nice, just occasionally, to see the other side (and there is one!).

Actually, the woman with the eight kids would have got more in working top ups (childcare vouchers, tax credits etc,) than she does not working, so being at work would be no disincentive to further breeding.

I don't really care how many kids someone has, but I find it depressing that so few of these kids have two parents looking after them.

I also wish these people, at home all day, would learn to clean a house, and learn to hang curtains properly.....drives me nuts!

Lin

Poppie68

Transformers wrote: »

One of the clips showed the baby being given Cocoa Cola in its bottle - that's just disgusting. What (life) chance does a child really have when they have parents like that?

Those kids are very likely to go on and replicate their parent's behaviour and so it goes on.

The poor thing will end up with rotten baby teeth......I don't understand what goes through some parents mind. My grandaughter is 15 month old and her 'juice' is water, she has never had any other drink apart from milk.

Morglin

Whatever happened to Rosehip syrup and juice from the clinic?

Lin

Poppie68

Morglin wrote: »

I wouldn't defend it, although I do defend a person's right to obtain the amount of benefits they are entitled to.

The show portrayed the worst of it - it would be nice, just occasionally, to see the other side (and there is one!).

Actually, the woman with the eight kids would have got more in working top ups (childcare vouchers, tax credits etc,) than she does not working, so being at work would be no disincentive to further breeding.

I don't really care how many kids someone has, but I find it depressing that so few of these kids have two parents looking after them.

I also wish these people, at home all day, would learn to clean a house, and learn to hang curtains properly.....drives me nuts!

Lin

The cleaning of all those homes or lack of is something that makes me cringe...why can't they wipe the walls and doors down at least..



I always wonder when i watch these type of programmes if there is a man hiding in the wings as the single mothers always seem to have a young baby as well as a toddler or two but according to their stories they have been a 'single mum' for so many years! It's rather baffling.:(