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E-on - You are a bunch of Liars and I'm reporting you to Ofgem
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So when you studied maths it appears you could solve equations with six unknowns? i.e. the number of people on each of those tariffs, and how much they were paying.
And we already stated that a large number are on a fixed tariff and pay no increase.
Sigh...What's not to get here?
Doesn't matter how many people are on a tariff. The tariff itself goes up, unit price goes up so that would apply for everyone on that tariff. The amount will vary due to varying numbers of units but the percentage will remain the same. Now, 20 tariffs, 20 different price increases but if you add them all up and divide by the number of tariffs you get the average.
And in terms of the fixed tariff, those people would not see an increase until the tariff ends but I think most people are aware that that is a given.0 -
Sigh...What's not to get here?
Doesn't matter how many people are on a tariff. The tariff itself goes up, unit price goes up so that would apply for everyone on that tariff. The amount will vary due to varying numbers of units but the percentage will remain the same. Now, 20 tariffs, 20 different price increases but if you add them all up and divide by the number of tariffs you get the average.
And in terms of the fixed tariff, those people would not see an increase until the tariff ends but I think most people are aware that that is a given.
Sigh, 20 different tariffs, maybe 2/3 price increases. The other 17 are on fixed deals and won't see an increase.
If anything, this mythical average (which is nothing of the sort) would show less than the recently publicised figure, which would doubtless irk people more.0 -
Bluebirdman_of_Alcathays wrote: »Sigh, 20 different tariffs, maybe 2/3 price increases. The other 17 are on fixed deals and won't see an increase.
If anything, this mythical average (which is nothing of the sort) would show less than the recently publicised figure, which would doubtless irk people more.
So i go back to what i said, if only two or three have price increases you only take those into account so perentages added up then divide by number of tariffs. In fact, all tariffs will go up but fixed ones will leave people already on it at the same level but the tariff itself will still go up. For example, the fixed tariff may go up dec 1st but if you switched on nov 20th your price would not go up. That does not mean the tariff itself has not gone up. Whoever switches after dec 1st would pay the higher price per unit. I think maybe we are talking about two different increases, the average increase for tariffs (which is what I am talking about) and the average price increase for customers which is almost impossible to work out because of the varying conditions.0 -
bluebird and bark01. so the announcements only apply to std tariff. news to me, all the website press and media refer to " energy price rises" with no mention of any tariff so it was reasonable to assume it applied to all tariffs. moneysupermarket.com are currently showing that my supplier's price increase announcement applies to" all their tariffs" so I must not believe this site in future... so the non- std customers ( the majority surely? )are left out of this nationwide information exercise several times a year because it obviously would take up too much time and print? simply illustrates to me the daft and opaque nature of the business. disregarding all that, the result for me is rises of gas 13.25% and elec 26% and it appears ofgem condone them.
Literally the first line of main text in the press release…
E.ON UK Press Releases
06 December 2013 10:42
E.ON announces average dual fuel price increase of 3.7%, effective from 18th January 2014
• Dual fuel (variable) average increase: 3.7% (£48) (1)
• Electricity only (variable) average increase: 3.7% (£20) (1)
• Gas only (variable) average increase: 4.6% (£37) (1)
E.ON has today announced that from 18th January 2014 its energy prices for existing standard variable dual fuel customers will be on average 3.7% higher.
http://pressreleases.eon-uk.com/blogs/eonukpressreleases/archive/2013/12/06/2329.aspx0 -
Sigh...What's not to get here?
Doesn't matter how many people are on a tariff. The tariff itself goes up, unit price goes up so that would apply for everyone on that tariff. The amount will vary due to varying numbers of units but the percentage will remain the same. Now, 20 tariffs, 20 different price increases but if you add them all up and divide by the number of tariffs you get the average.
And in terms of the fixed tariff, those people would not see an increase until the tariff ends but I think most people are aware that that is a given.
I will try once more:
This is what you wrote:
999,998 people on Tariff A pay 11% extra.
1 person on Tariff B pays 9% extra and 1 person on Tariff C pays 10% extra.
So according to the maths you studied that works out at an average increase of 10%??0 -
So i go back to what i said, if only two or three have price increases you only take those into account so perentages added up then divide by number of tariffs. In fact, all tariffs will go up but fixed ones will leave people already on it at the same level but the tariff itself will still go up. For example, the fixed tariff may go up dec 1st but if you switched on nov 20th your price would not go up. That does not mean the tariff itself has not gone up. Whoever switches after dec 1st would pay the higher price per unit. I think maybe we are talking about two different increases, the average increase for tariffs (which is what I am talking about) and the average price increase for customers which is almost impossible to work out because of the varying conditions.
What nonsense.
All these price changes took place in the last few months. My tariff ends on March 31st. Are you telling me my tariff has gone up?!
Most people in the United Kingdom are intelligent enough (I think) to realise that when energy price rises are announced, it only applies to variable tariffs.0 -
birdman/scoot/nada
oh dear having written conversations has its pitfalls......
birdman, I am not expecting "never, etc. I expect to pay more for energy from time to time and I would just like my increases to be in line with everyone elses. fixed tariffs dont achieve that because as you will find out in april, they are heavily loaded with the companies planned rises for the next few years, FROM THE START. what a nice little earner. so there are only two choices out of variable standard tariff with its lottery of swingeing increases at any time and fixed tariffs where they include them from the start and if by some fluke energy prices fall, tough, you've already signed up. talk about devil and the deep blue sea. hence my utopia of one price and one increase for all. I know it wont happen. odd though how the water supply business pretty much works that way... and petrol and bread.... I'm thinking the energy companies get away with their deliberate complicating of their business because we are not face to face with them.0 -
Bluebirdman_of_Alcathays wrote: »What nonsense.
All these price changes took place in the last few months. My tariff ends on March 31st. Are you telling me my tariff has gone up?!
Most people in the United Kingdom are intelligent enough (I think) to realise that when energy price rises are announced, it only applies to variable tariffs.
Yes because fixed price don't change, so if you include them in the average then the actual change % will come down.
You are going through a product closure, this is not a price change so won’t be included in any price change announcement. Are you really going to go onto the standard tariff anyway? Yes you may see an large increase if you do nothing and default onto the standard tariff, but the actual increase you’ll see is the difference between the tariff your on now and the tariff you choose to go onto.
Another factor you need to include is that there have probably been a number of price change announcements since you signed up for your fix. E.on announced a 8.7% increase at the start of last year which didn’t affect you at the time but will affect you if you do nothing, so you need to factor that in.
2 points of note :
As I explained in a previous note there are new regulations governing this type of issue that come into play in March of this year:
All customer affected by price change or a product closure will be mailed 40 days before the change happens detailing what their current estimated annual bill is on their current prices and what their new annual bill will be on either: their new prices if they are price changing or their new product if their product is ending. These estimates are personal to each customer based on their usage history.
Customers will also be informed of the cheapest product available from their current supplier at their estimated consumption for a simple switch (i.e. same meter/payment method) and also the cheapest product if they swap meters and payment methods.
Also If you start a switch up to 4 weeks after the price change/change of product is effective your price will be automatically reverted back to your old prices (if they are cheaper) whilst the switch goes through. If you have been billed at the new rates this will be cancelled and re-billed at the old rates.
This should answer all your complaints.0 -
Bluebirdman_of_Alcathays wrote: »What nonsense.
All these price changes took place in the last few months. My tariff ends on March 31st. Are you telling me my tariff has gone up?!
Most people in the United Kingdom are intelligent enough (I think) to realise that when energy price rises are announced, it only applies to variable tariffs.0 -
I will try once more:
This is what you wrote:
999,998 people on Tariff A pay 11% extra.
1 person on Tariff B pays 9% extra and 1 person on Tariff C pays 10% extra.
So according to the maths you studied that works out at an average increase of 10%??0
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