Crazy JSA Sanction

missapril75

JohnMa wrote: »

...people need to start being made aware of what is going on

osdset wrote: »

And people are being made aware.

Absolutely right, people are aware. Posters here with JC+ connections have already highlighted such attitude changes.

All the more reason for those actually involved in JSA applications to take extra care and not give over zealous/under pressure staff the opportunity to meet these despicable targets.

The problem is, most don't actually give a toss about anyone that's having a hard time.

I'm sure that's not true.

Those of us appearing less than sympathetic are doing so not because of any unfairness but the attitudes expressed.

peter999

JohnMa wrote: »

I put a new claim in a couple of weeks ago, had an appointment at my local jobcentre at 9am last Tuesday

Arrived at 9.08am due to their being a slight delay with the trains, explained this and apologised to the benefits advisor who processed my claim, received a letter a day later saying I was entitled to JSA and would be paid etc etc


Was due my first payment yesterday and nothing went in the bank, then a letter arrived saying that my JSA had been suspeded for 4 weeks after their being a 'doubt that I attended an interview with an employment advisor, which we have now decided you did not attend"


After frantic phone calls late on Friday it turns out that they are sanctioning me because I was 8 minutes late on Tuesday even though I actually attended and went through the appointment with the advisor and he processed my claim


Bad enough at any other time if year but as you will all note it is xmas in a few days and this decision has left me penniless until January the 8th when my sanction is finished


I am going to go into the job centre on monday and start the appeal process but there is not much chance of that being completed for me to have any money by xmas


What you all need to understand is there is a systametic attempt by staff at the Jobcentres to remove people off benefits for whatever reason, however petty and however ridiculous they can find in order to meet targets


I have been left penniless for being EIGHT miutes late for an appointment at which I was subsuquently seen and processed


Its an absolute disgrace and people need to start being made aware of what is going on

That is terrible.

There is something very wrong going on in Jobcentres.

essor

peter999 wrote: »

That is terrible.

There is something very wrong going on in Jobcentres.

....yes there is...



Try being put through the system and see if YOU don't develop an attitude, for the record, I've signed off, I would have been sanctioned again for not attending the 4 weeks of slave labour assigned to me anyway. Seems like the system is working.
I didn't post for sympathy, just to expose what is going on, it's going to be a tough few weeks but I have my freedom and self respect back, that's all that matters to me.

Even the Daily Mail agrees.....

"When a right-leaning newspaper like this one launches a stinging, vicious, no-holds barred attack on a supposed right-leaning government, you know your country is in peril"

"103 sanction related suicides of sick and disabled people"

Suicide training in Job Centres? Cancer patients scrubbing floors? Welcome to Cameron’s Brave New World

That was in march 2012, things have got and are getting progressively worse.

The only people who can do anything about this are those who work for the system, who better to give an account of the hardship being forced onto people than the individuals enforcing them ?

nannytone_2

as someone that is 'in the sysrem', i lmpw pnly too well of the pitfalls.
the difference is that i understand that the people i meet face to face ( job centre stagg etc) have NO power to make any decisions, and are just doing a job, for not an amazing wage.

i dont think any of these people deserve to bear the brunt of my 'attitude'!

osdset

nannytone wrote: »

as someone that is 'in the sysrem', i lmpw pnly too well of the pitfalls.
the difference is that i understand that the people i meet face to face ( job centre stagg etc) have NO power to make any decisions, and are just doing a job, for not an amazing wage.

i dont think any of these people deserve to bear the brunt of my 'attitude'!

I disagree, as someone who is also in the system. I find that confronted with obvious incompetence and maladministration on their part they close ranks in opposition to the complainant and become openly hostile.

Just because they may be impotent with regard to decision making does not absent them from responsibility.

I'm afraid that the rotten apples in the DWP barrel outweigh the good ones, and are gradually infecting the whole crop.

essor

nannytone wrote: »

as someone that is 'in the sysrem', i lmpw pnly too well of the pitfalls.
the difference is that i understand that the people i meet face to face ( job centre stagg etc) have NO power to make any decisions, and are just doing a job, for not an amazing wage.

i dont think any of these people deserve to bear the brunt of my 'attitude'!

My sympathy lies with the families of those who have died as a direct result of what is happening.
I'd rather live on the streets than deliver these disgusting rules.

Universal Credit is just around the corner, so many of you will soon be at the receiving end of the rules you are so readily enforcing, I'm sure you'll understand that people are just "doing their job" then.

Usually when workers are under such duress, there are protests, strikes and walkouts,...anything planned, or are you all just going to suck it up and stay silent ?
Everyone has the power to make decisions, your just choosing not to.

osdset

Universal Credit is just around the corner, so many of you will soon be at the receiving end of the rules you are so readily enforcing, I'm sure you'll understand that people are just "doing their job" then.

If UC ever gets off the runway and DWP's own staff start falling foul of conditionality, then watch the PCS union and it's members take action over sanctions.
I for one will be laughing like a drain when DWP staff start posting sob stories on the forums. They won't get an ounce of sympathy or support from the millions that have already been on the recieving end of sanctions.

Dunroamin

JohnMa wrote: »

I put a new claim in a couple of weeks ago, had an appointment at my local jobcentre at 9am last Tuesday

Arrived at 9.08am due to their being a slight delay with the trains, explained this and apologised to the benefits advisor who processed my claim, received a letter a day later saying I was entitled to JSA and would be paid etc etc


Was due my first payment yesterday and nothing went in the bank, then a letter arrived saying that my JSA had been suspeded for 4 weeks after their being a 'doubt that I attended an interview with an employment advisor, which we have now decided you did not attend"


After frantic phone calls late on Friday it turns out that they are sanctioning me because I was 8 minutes late on Tuesday even though I actually attended and went through the appointment with the advisor and he processed my claim


Bad enough at any other time if year but as you will all note it is xmas in a few days and this decision has left me penniless until January the 8th when my sanction is finished


I am going to go into the job centre on monday and start the appeal process but there is not much chance of that being completed for me to have any money by xmas


What you all need to understand is there is a systametic attempt by staff at the Jobcentres to remove people off benefits for whatever reason, however petty and however ridiculous they can find in order to meet targets


I have been left penniless for being EIGHT miutes late for an appointment at which I was subsuquently seen and processed


Its an absolute disgrace and people need to start being made aware of what is going on

New member, first post, joins contentious discussion with extreme example.....mmmmmm.

essor

Dunroamin wrote: »

New member, first post, joins contentious discussion with extreme example.....mmmmmm.

Old member 15,232'th post, joins contentious discussion with unfounded accusation....hmmmmmm.

JohnMa

Dunroamin wrote: »

New member, first post, joins contentious discussion with extreme example.....mmmmmm.

That is unfair

I am a new member as I have never read or been on these boards before, I come across them whilst searching for "JSA Sanctions" yesterday whilst looking for advice on my situation.

I am not lying or making up stories to engage debate, this is a real life situation and I am more than willing to include screenshots of the letter I received on Friday and details of the converstions I have with them tomorrow

Let me clarify, I am a not a 'scrounger' or someone who has spent a lifetime on benefits. I am 39 and this is a new claim, I paid taxes and worked from the age of 16. I have spent the last month with no income at all travelling the country tryintg to find work, I started my claim on the 9th December due to desperation and there being absolutely nothing left in my bank account.

I have no axe to grind on any side of any political debate, I am just a normal guy who lost his job a couple of months ago and is now in need of the support net the state is meant to offer me after spending years paying my taxes.

This could be you in a few months, someone you know, a member of your family. I attended 7 job interviews last week, one was 30 miles away and I had to hide in the toilets on the train to get there as I had no money to pay for my ticket on Friday because the benefits office never paid me when they said they would !!

Allow me to clarify exactly what has happened here. I have arrived for an appointment EIGHT MINUTES late, upon arriving I have apologised and explained to the member of staff that there was a delay on the train. The member of staff has then seen me, processed my claim and away I went expeciting a small payment on Friday to try and help buy some bits and bobs to eat until I get full 2 weeks money on at the start of January.

I fully expect to be working within a couple of weeks and will be able to sign off, however when I needed support was at my lowest point without a penny to my name 3 days before xmas some lunatic in the Jobcentre office has decided that meeting targets is more important than common sense and compasion

I am sorry, but if any human being stands and says to me that a 4 week sanction of my benefits due to me being 8 minutes late AND then still being seen and processed by the jobcentre staff is justified at any time of the year, let alone the week before Xmas then you are without one ounce of common sense, decency or compasssion.

I dont care about starving over xmas, I will get by, but I am going to make it my business to expose the system and the human beings making decisions like this and let the general public be made aware of just what could be in store for any of them next xmas should they be unfortunate enough to lose their job.

This is a scandal, an out and out scandal and I bet you the majority of the people they do it to just accept it and allow themselves to be fobbed off by kangaroo appeals they have no hope of winning or 30 minute phone callst o 0845 numbers when they are already penniless.

I am going to see what happens tomorrow monring when I speak to the Jobcentre staff on this, I am hoping common sense will prevail and something will be sorted out however if it is not I swear on my sons life I will write to every journalist in every paper in the country in an attempt to get this practice exposed.

Whether you read the Daily Mirror of the Daily Mail, whether you are labour or conservative this is a national scandal and it needs to be publicised and the people making these shocking decisions in benefits offices in order to meet targers and curry favour need to be exposed. If I saw a case like mine and I worked for the benefits office I would not sit and let it rest, I would challenge nasty, unfair decisions like this and demand to know who made them and what justification they had for making it. How can people turn a blind eye to this type of thing - its scandalous


This could be YOU next xmas - remember that !!