Crazy JSA Sanction

missapril75

Lots of chips on shoulders today. Think I'll have some for dinner.

nannytone_2

essor wrote: »

My sympathy lies with the families of those who have died as a direct result of what is happening.
I'd rather live on the streets than deliver these disgusting rules.

Universal Credit is just around the corner, so many of you will soon be at the receiving end of the rules you are so readily enforcing, I'm sure you'll understand that people are just "doing their job" then.

Usually when workers are under such duress, there are protests, strikes and walkouts,...anything planned, or are you all just going to suck it up and stay silent ?
Everyone has the power to make decisions, your just choosing not to.

what a totally ridiculous thing to say.

youd rather live on the streets than work to support your family. just because it means working for the DWP?

there are protests.... just because you dont read about them in the tabloids, wheels are in motion about the unfair sanction targets that are secretly being set * denied by those in charge but confirmed by the people forced to impose them, people are being dismissed for not reaching these 'targets'. and why? necause they are decent people who happen to do a 'job' and refuse to treat people unfairly)

would you also live on the streets than be a traffic warden?
people hate them too ... but they are doing a job and providing for their families.

it must be nice to have enough to sustain yourself and your family to be able to afford such lofty pronciples

essor

JohnMa wrote: »

I am sorry, but if any human being stands and says to me that a 4 week sanction of my benefits due to me being 8 minutes late AND then still being seen and processed by the jobcentre staff is justified at any time of the year, let alone the week before Xmas then you are without one ounce of common sense, decency or compasssion.

That's the way they work, managers and/or advisors must be studying the paperwork looking for sanction opportunities, they came across yours and decided you were a viable target, It wouldn't surprise me if there is a hidden "bonus" incentive we are yet to hear about.
Any sanction I've received has always been preceded with "I've been discussing your case with my manager and.......", but advisors are trained to lie through their teeth, so who knows.

JohnMa wrote: »

I am going to see what happens tomorrow monring when I speak to the Jobcentre staff on this, I am hoping common sense will prevail and something will be sorted out however if it is not I swear on my sons life I will write to every journalist in every paper in the country in an attempt to get this practice exposed.

Good luck, but common sense no longer exists in the new regime, there are a few "advisors" kicking around here, I'm sure one of them will step in an explain to you why this is.

nannytone_2

there is no 'bonus', just the opposite in fact.
their jobs are in danger, and so they are being forced to act on any minur indiscretion that they would normally 'ket go'

so someone is 8 minutes late.
do you
a. go by the book and sanction them
or
b. risk losing your job and so put your own children at risk

they dont enjoy it, but have no choice.

claimants are well aware how rigidly the sanctions are now being applies.
if they wish to test the system and cut time fine. that is their choice.
but to suggest that an advisor should put themselves at risk becayse a claimant is late, is just silly

essor

nannytone wrote: »

what a totally ridiculous thing to say.

youd rather live on the streets than work to support your family. just because it means working for the DWP?

there are protests.... just because you dont read about them in the tabloids, wheels are in motion about the unfair sanction targets that are secretly being set * denied by those in charge but confirmed by the people forced to impose them, people are being dismissed for not reaching these 'targets'. and why? necause they are decent people who happen to do a 'job' and refuse to treat people unfairly)

would you also live on the streets than be a traffic warden?
people hate them too ... but they are doing a job and providing for their families.

it must be nice to have enough to sustain yourself and your family to be able to afford such lofty pronciples

Ok maybe not the streets, you selective reading, over sensitive forumites do have a habit of taking everything you read literally, and remember concious free jobs are always available.

nannytone_2

and these jobs are so plentiful arent they?

the kob centre staff work because they have fzaamnilies to support, just like anyone else, and so cant risk being unemployed.

the sanctions are being imposed unfairly strictly ... but are not being imposed with NO reason at all.

uf a claimant is 8 minutes late and my daughter doesnt flaf them up, she is putting her job at risk.
the claimant, by being 8 minutes late are putting their own benefit at risk.

would you like to lose a job just because someone else did something wrong?

essor

nannytone wrote: »

there is no 'bonus', just the opposite in fact.
their jobs are in danger, and so they are being forced to act on any minur indiscretion that they would normally 'ket go'

so someone is 8 minutes late.
do you
a. go by the book and sanction them
or
b. risk losing your job and so put your own children at risk

they dont enjoy it, but have no choice.

claimants are well aware how rigidly the sanctions are now being applies.
if they wish to test the system and cut time fine. that is their choice.
but to suggest that an advisor should put themselves at risk becayse a claimant is late, is just silly

And I should believe you because ........? Very easy to "tell" us jobs are at risk when no evidence exists, and anyone who is unfairly dismissed has the right to appeal, and damned site more chance of winning the appeal than anyone on the receiving end of a sanction, don't these people have unions ?

Where are these cases of DWP being sacked for refusing to apply sanctions? please post links, so far all I see are excuses.

oh and btw, your daughter isn't the only person working for the DWP, other sources of information are available.

Dunroamin

essor wrote: »

That's the way they work, managers and/or advisors must be studying the paperwork looking for sanction opportunities, they came across yours and decided you were a viable target, It wouldn't surprise me if there is a hidden "bonus" incentive we are yet to hear about.
Any sanction I've received has always been preceded with "I've been discussing your case with my manager and.......", but advisors are trained to lie through their teeth, so who knows.

So, you've been sanctioned several times and still haven't learned from them? I think that tells us a lot about you and your attitude.

gay_guy

JohnMa wrote: »

That is unfair

I am a new member as I have never read or been on these boards before, I come across them whilst searching for "JSA Sanctions" yesterday whilst looking for advice on my situation.

I am not lying or making up stories to engage debate, this is a real life situation and I am more than willing to include screenshots of the letter I received on Friday and details of the converstions I have with them tomorrow

Let me clarify, I am a not a 'scrounger' or someone who has spent a lifetime on benefits. I am 39 and this is a new claim, I paid taxes and worked from the age of 16. I have spent the last month with no income at all travelling the country tryintg to find work, I started my claim on the 9th December due to desperation and there being absolutely nothing left in my bank account.

I have no axe to grind on any side of any political debate, I am just a normal guy who lost his job a couple of months ago and is now in need of the support net the state is meant to offer me after spending years paying my taxes.

This could be you in a few months, someone you know, a member of your family. I attended 7 job interviews last week, one was 30 miles away and I had to hide in the toilets on the train to get there as I had no money to pay for my ticket on Friday because the benefits office never paid me when they said they would !!

Allow me to clarify exactly what has happened here. I have arrived for an appointment EIGHT MINUTES late, upon arriving I have apologised and explained to the member of staff that there was a delay on the train. The member of staff has then seen me, processed my claim and away I went expeciting a small payment on Friday to try and help buy some bits and bobs to eat until I get full 2 weeks money on at the start of January.

I fully expect to be working within a couple of weeks and will be able to sign off, however when I needed support was at my lowest point without a penny to my name 3 days before xmas some lunatic in the Jobcentre office has decided that meeting targets is more important than common sense and compasion

I am sorry, but if any human being stands and says to me that a 4 week sanction of my benefits due to me being 8 minutes late AND then still being seen and processed by the jobcentre staff is justified at any time of the year, let alone the week before Xmas then you are without one ounce of common sense, decency or compasssion.

I dont care about starving over xmas, I will get by, but I am going to make it my business to expose the system and the human beings making decisions like this and let the general public be made aware of just what could be in store for any of them next xmas should they be unfortunate enough to lose their job.

This is a scandal, an out and out scandal and I bet you the majority of the people they do it to just accept it and allow themselves to be fobbed off by kangaroo appeals they have no hope of winning or 30 minute phone callst o 0845 numbers when they are already penniless.

I am going to see what happens tomorrow monring when I speak to the Jobcentre staff on this, I am hoping common sense will prevail and something will be sorted out however if it is not I swear on my sons life I will write to every journalist in every paper in the country in an attempt to get this practice exposed.

Whether you read the Daily Mirror of the Daily Mail, whether you are labour or conservative this is a national scandal and it needs to be publicised and the people making these shocking decisions in benefits offices in order to meet targers and curry favour need to be exposed. If I saw a case like mine and I worked for the benefits office I would not sit and let it rest, I would challenge nasty, unfair decisions like this and demand to know who made them and what justification they had for making it. How can people turn a blind eye to this type of thing - its scandalous


This could be YOU next xmas - remember that !!

Hey mate,

So sorry to hear about your situation, this goverment is really a joke, 8 mins late at your appointment? that is so unfair just to sanction you, what really bugs me is that advisors are happy to keep claimants waiting for long periods of time but its another story if we turn up late.

One time I was waiting for 30 mins, if I turned up 5 mins late I will get sanctioned, something needs to be done, and to sanction you when its Christmas is really shocking

Hope you get it sorted soon mate, oh by the way just ignore Dunroamin as he/she bully's me as well, he/she wouldn't like it if the situation happened to him/her.

essor

Dunroamin wrote: »

So, you've been sanctioned several times and still haven't learned from them? I think that tells us a lot about you and your attitude.

I think the fact that you think there's something I can actually "learn" from being sanctioned tells me a lot about "you" and "your" attitude.