Crazy JSA Sanction

busy_mom_2

iammumtoone wrote: »

thanks, but I am not allowed to, the rules state that I have to be available for work between school hours so from the time ds starts till when school finishes. As I have said this is not a problem to work these hours as childcare is available but it is a problem getting to the JC if the appointment time is just after the school drop off, unfortunately as my agreement states I am available to work these times it is expected I can attend the JC between these times, but there is a difference in those two situations.

They still have to take into account the journey time. A DM certainly would if you were not there for a 9am appointment.
There is a difference between couldn't and wouldn't as my mom always said.

jetplane

busy_mom wrote: »

No-one said they get raped or murdered on a daily basis but they do suffer threats and abuse on a daily basis.
You can not speak to a DM because they are not based in a JCP. You are more than entitled to a recieve a call from one though, just ask.

Is it really fair that staff should have to put up with this behaviour? No it isn't. If people sent their thoughts to their MP as they are the only ones who can bring any change to legistlation through parlament.

I was replying to csmw who quoted my reference to rape and murder and said it was a daily occurrence. No I have already said that it is not fair for staff to be abused on a daily basis.

A call from a DM who is making the decision on the claim? In my experience this is as rare as hens teeth. They are genuinely too busy to be calling customers all day. You may get a call from a DM who is reading the notes, they sometimes call once and if you miss that call your stuffed and have to start the process again.

Meanwhile the customer gets more and more frustrated or desperate and who gets it in the neck? The jobcentre advisor. No it's not fair but I suspect the MPs are well aware of the impact of welfare reform or they should be.

csmw

jetplane wrote: »

I was replying to csmw who quoted my reference to rape and murder and said it was a daily occurrence. No I have already said that it is not fair for staff to be abused on a daily basis.

A call from a DM who is making the decision on the claim? In my experience this is as rare as hens teeth. They are genuinely too busy to be calling customers all day. You may get a call from a DM who is reading the notes, they sometimes call once and if you miss that call your stuffed and have to start the process again.

Meanwhile the customer gets more and more frustrated or desperate and who gets it in the neck? The jobcentre advisor. No it's not fair but I suspect the MPs are well aware of the impact of welfare reform or they should be.

Actually that's not what I said at all. You quoted 3 peoples comments regarding the abuse advisors have to endure.

As I stAres these are not rare, advisors are threatened and abuse even attacked on a daily basis.

As I said before its easy for a lot of people on this forum to be judgmental when it's not them sitting the other side of the desk.

missapril75

osdset wrote: »

Hardly a fair comparison, plumbers can't inflict destitution on anyone.

No? What about the poor work that may cause further damage. Or the not turning up when expected so that damaging leak continues causing structural problems?

Plus when dealing with plumbers, accountants and shop assistants the 'customer' has the choice take their custom elsewhere.

Good to know. So the next time I'm a customer but there isn't an alternative choice available and I don't like something I shall feel free to start threatening and abusing the workers there.:rotfl:

missapril75

jetplane wrote: »

Customer service staff take abuse on a daily basis.

Yes, that would be why I said so.

But they don't get it because of the job they do. There are people on this thread saying terrible things about job centre workers.

Do they say terrible things about plumbers? Accountants? Teachers?

No.

Is it really an everyday occurrence that job centre staff are raped and murdered?

What a pathetic question. The point was that it was covered up. Would you expect not to see news reports of other people suffering such fates? Do you think it would happen with a nurse, teacher, baby sitter...anyone at all? Other than a spy or something?

osdset

No? What about the poor work that may cause further damage. Or the not turning up when expected so that damaging leak continues causing structural problems?

Use a butterfly net the next time you clutch for straws.

Good to know. So the next time I'm a customer but there isn't an alternative choice available and I don't like something I shall feel free to start threatening and abusing the workers there

No you just go to an alternative shop.
For example you can go to Morrison's,Tesco, Sainsbury's, Waitrose etc. Unwaged 'customers' get the rich and varied choice of.............JCP.

missapril75

osdset wrote: »

No you just go to an alternative shop.
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What part of there isn't an alternative choice available (because there isn't always) did you not understand?

skintmacflint

essor wrote: »

lol, unbelievable, I'll pop down to the local food bank and tell them the only reason they are there is to keep a roof over the heads and food on the table of their advisor, be subservient, do as your told, take the sanction and feel good about yourself. I'm sure they will be so happy and understanding.

What a pathetic attempt at defending the situation, if everyone thinks like you , then there is truly is no hope. What are you trying to say, we're all in it together ? IDS is an evil bastartd but we're just doing our job ?

What ever level you assume I'm on, it doesn't involve rationalising away the hurt, misery, and suicides that are a direct result of the sanction process. Blame IDS all you like, he needs people as gullible, gutless, and subservient as you seem to be to deliver his message.
You all have blood on your hands, live with it.

Your first post was f airly reasonable and rational but has quickly deteriorated into that of a drama queen alert. Well done.

osdset

missapril75 wrote: »

What part of there isn't an alternative choice available (because there isn't always) did you not understand?

Calm down dear, I'm not one of your subservient claimants. It's that kind of attitude that reinforces the stereotype.

jetplane

I notice that only some of my points are being commented on, is this typical of jobcentre advocates only picking out what they want rather than looking at the whole picture? Working within jobcentre it is revealing just how many people can not see how the organisation is perceived and either have the inability to grasp why or just don't care.

And I really do not need words to be emphasized in bold, it is so patronizing when someone feels they have to reinforce their message when it says more about them than me.