Parking meeting

Umkomaas

What backing would the management company give to you should your permit fall off your windscreen (there's endless cases on here where it has) and you get a ticket?

As you only have one visitor permit, what are the arrangements if you have two or more visitors? What backing would the management company give should your additional visitor(s) receive a PCN?

What are the ticketing arrangements? Self ticketing by the estate's local Norris Cole armed with his Kodak Brownie? Or the PPC's own staff?

At what times do the parking chimps visit? Do you want them creeping around on YOUR land at the dead of night, peering into your car?

What are the greater problems that have encouraged the employment of such potential problems for residents?

What are the financial arrangements - does the management company receive any commission from tickets issued?

Who funds the POPLA fee should anyone appeal a ticket?

Has the management company checked out the PPCs bona fides?

Are they members of the BPA?

Are signs BPA compliant?

Are charges contractual in nature, liquidated damages, or trespass? Or are they termed penalties or fines?

Ask for copy of the contract. Is the contract between the management company and the PPC? If so, does the management company have express permission from the landowner for it to enter such arrangements - if so copy of written permission.

All the above are legitimate questions - and many will be vital to you should you at some future stage be the lucky recipient of a PCN on your car - which I suspect may only be a matter of time .

Hovite_2

I-LOV-MONEY wrote: »

Whether it is in the lease or not, is irrelevant.

It's anything but irrelevant - it shows the PPC scheme has absolutely no legal standing if there is nothing in the lease saying you have to display a permit.

How easy the T&Cs are to adhere to is what is irrelevant. Besides, sometimes you can get caught out. I'm currently in the process of getting two wins at POPLA because a relative forgot to get his permit out of his car when it went into the garage so his courtesy car got two tickets. The PPC are claiming that their T&Cs overrule anything in the lease - that's because all they want is the money, they couldn't give a monkeys about the legality of the situation.

spacey2012

I would make it very clear that the targeted income source for any PPC is always the legitimate parkers.
Permit rocking, forgotten permits, steamed up windscreens.
The PPC has absolutely no other income than to target those they are supposed to protect.
If you are a leaseholder, I would see if they have rights to operate on your land in the first place as the management may not be principle and have not authority to conduct commerce via a ppc on someone else's leasehold.

This is the vital statement "conducting commerce" goes over many heads, but if someone wishes to conduct commerce on your lease holding it must be specifically written in to the lease, there is no "catch all" clause.
That is exactly what a PPC does, it is a business making an income from land .
Would you let me set up a market stall in your front garden because the management company said I could under garden management clause?

Parking management may be a separate mentioned article, but the right to trade and make money out of your leasehold land is a world away from parking management.

Food for thought, if they say they stay and you are leasehold I would say OK, but I want £8k a year for renting my Leasehold out to the management company or PPC if you are to conduct commerce from my leasehold land which is the going rate to rent a parking space.

I-LOV-MONEY

Thank you all for your replies. I shall study them carefully before the meeting in December.

I would suspect if there were no visible signs that parking is restricted it would become a free-for-all as it is so close to a major shopping centre. All the roads around the estate are either DYL or meter controlled.

I really don't know what happens if we have more than one visitor (nobody wants to come and see me or Mrs I-L-M !!!).

AFAIK no resident has any authority to become 'Norris Cole' and report any violations. However, if they should so want to, it is a 0871 number they would have to call ...is it worth the money for little satisfaction!

As I have said, from my point of view it works okay as it is. I will be interested to hear what 'complaints' others have.

BTW Spacey if you want to set up a market stall selling fresh fruit and cheese, you are welcome to :T (but some of the neighbours may disagree!).

peter_the_piper

Parking Management is totally different to what they offer. To manage it a person would speak to the errant driver and suggest a way that they could stop the problem they are causing. PPC's only want to harvest money from drivers. The 2 things are totally different.

I-LOV-MONEY

I-LOV-MONEY wrote: »

I have been invited to attend a meeting about 'parking on (this) estate'. by the estate Management Company in early December. It is a private estate, and parking is 'managed' by a PPC. We all have a residents permit, and a visitor's permit.

I have rarely had any problem parking outside my front door, and if someone else was there, I can park across the road, where there is always an empty space.

When I glance at other vehicles parked, virtually everybody has either a residents or visitors permit displayed.

I have never seen anybody come to check the vehicles, but I have heard of one or two people having received a 'ticket'.

I suppose firstly I should listen to what complaints have been received, but are there any comments I should be making?

Thanks.

Well thank you everybody for your comments. Unfortunately due to an accident en route (not me) I arrived in the area two hours late, and 40 minutes late for the meeting. I really couldn't just wander in at that point.

I have since corresponded with the Property Manager for the estate, and he told me that it was well attended. The only thing he mentioned was about unauthorised vehicles parking there.

I have now heard from him today to say that they are appointing a new contractor to take over parking, Capital 2 Coast. I have never heard of them, but no doubt people here will have done. Perhaps you can give me an idea, out of interest, how vigilant they are. I have explained that they are not allowed to issue PCNs, clamp vehicles, or issue fines[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT] The only thing I can think of for the change is that they will be more prolific in patrolling the estate.

Guys_Dad

I-LOV-MONEY wrote: »

I have explained that they are not allowed to issue PCNs, clamp vehicles, or issue fines[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT] The only thing I can think of for the change is that they will be more prolific in patrolling the estate.

How do you think they are going to earn their money? Or are they a philanthropic organisation? What powers will they have against "unauthorised parking" (eg your relatives when they come to visit)? Have they a portable "naughty step"?

They will either get their crust from your service charge or what you call "fines" or a mixture of both.

I bet that within a short time you or someone else from your estate will be on here complaining about being ticketed for forgetting their pass or next year because they were on holiday, didn't get the new pass and couldn't replace the expired one on their car and got ticketed.

4consumerrights

I-LOV-MONEY wrote: »

I have now heard from him today to say that they are appointing a new contractor to take over parking, Capital 2 Coast. I have never heard of them, but no doubt people here will have done. Perhaps you can give me an idea, out of interest, how vigilant they are. I have explained that they are not allowed to issue PCNs, clamp vehicles, or issue fines[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT] The only thing I can think of for the change is that they will be more prolific in patrolling the estate.

Oh dear what have you let yourselves all in for........
Capital2Coast - well here's a good opportunity then to test the new IPC system. Please do make sure you direct anyone on your estate who receives a ticket to this forum please.

Start by reading these couple of threads:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4835260

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4784908

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4784430

and IPC website:
http://www.theipc.info

and not forgetting of course that Capital 2 Coast actually try to gain your consent to take you to court should your appeal fail in an attempt to intimidate you not to appeal. Their legal knowledge is appalling.....

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4838205

Coupon-mad

Oh dear oh dear.

I-LOV-MONEY

Guys_Dad wrote: »

How do you think they are going to earn their money? Or are they a philanthropic organisation? What powers will they have against "unauthorised parking" (eg your relatives when they come to visit)? Have they a portable "naughty step"?

They will either get their crust from your service charge or what you call "fines" or a mixture of both.

I bet that within a short time you or someone else from your estate will be on here complaining about being ticketed for forgetting their pass or next year because they were on holiday, didn't get the new pass and couldn't replace the expired one on their car and got ticketed.

The majority of the public are perhaps are unaware that their powers are limited. If they get a 'ticket' they will probably pay up.

We have visitor passes.

I am sure there is nothing in our service charges for parking enforcement.