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notanewuser wrote: »If it hasn't risen for 6 years then it's obviously still above NMW. The OP may well be getting tax credits/housing benefit on top.
He hasn't mentioned any dependents.
He's in a job where he spends quite a bit of time sitting in a car waiting for a doctor while doing nothing. You think that should earn more than sitting at a checkout or pushing a hospital trolley? What should be the going rate for sitting around, exactly?
He's lucky he's in a job that can't be outsourced to a part of the world where somebody will do it for a fiver a day.
If he wants to earn more, he needs to get some skills that are in greater demand. The employer owes him nothing (legally or morally).
To put it into perspective, qualified nurses earn less than £10 an hour.
Frankly the contempt shown here (not just in your post) for working people is shocking.
You really think it's right that the state should be forced to subsidise employers who pay poverty wages through tax credits etc?
OP didn't design his job did he? He probably didn't even have the luxury of choosing his "career". So why shouldn't he be paid a wage that allows him to meet basic day to day expenses without relying on poor relief from the state?
Employers most definitely have a moral obligation to their employees and if you really think otherwise then what do you think that says about you as a person, and about the society we live in?0 -
How is it poverty wages? You and the OP have probably never experience poverty so really get a grip. Try JSA that's hardship!So there are a lot of people who could do a job and that makes it ok to pay poverty wages?
If the choice is between nothing and something only slightly less inadequate it's not really a choice is it?
Do you really think it is right and proper for working people in a developed country to be condemned to a life of hardship in that way?We’ve had to remove your signature. Please check the Forum Rules if you’re unsure why it’s been removed and, if still unsure, email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
How is it poverty wages? You and the OP have probably never experience poverty so really get a grip. Try JSA that's hardship!
Please stop making assumptions about my personal circumstances, it's not helpful to the discussion!
Just because something is worse than something else that is also unacceptable doesn't make either situation acceptable!0 -
Frankly the contempt shown here (not just in your post) for working people is shocking.
You really think it's right that the state should be forced to subsidise employers who pay poverty wages through tax credits etc?
OP didn't design his job did he? He probably didn't even have the luxury of choosing his "career". So why shouldn't he be paid a wage that allows him to meet basic day to day expenses without relying on poor relief from the state?
Employers most definitely have a moral obligation to their employees and if you really think otherwise then what do you think that says about you as a person, and about the society we live in?
The state isn't forced to subsidise "poverty wages" (whatever they are). NMW is at a decent level. At 18 I earned the grand sum of £2.75 per hour.
My husband hasn't charged a higher daily rate for 6 or 7 years either. The fact that it's up to £1k per day is neither here nor there. If he wants to work, he can't demand greater fees when companies aren't able to pay more. They'll just hire indian firms if they can't afford him.
I could advertise my services (consultancy) at £1k per day, but I'd not get much work. If I charge £600 I get a decent amount.
THE OP CANNOT HAVE WHAT HIS EMPLOYERS HAVEN'T GOT.Trying to be a man is a waste of a woman0 -
Please stop making assumptions about my personal circumstances, it's not helpful to the discussion!
Just because something is worse than something else that is also unacceptable doesn't make either situation acceptable!
I'd suggest you go and volunteer for a year in an indian slum or african village if you think £6.50+ per hour is poverty.Trying to be a man is a waste of a woman0 -
I am not making anything you are saying they have in hardship and are living in poverty!!!Please stop making assumptions about my personal circumstances, it's not helpful to the discussion!
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notanewuser wrote: »The state isn't forced to subsidise "poverty wages" (whatever they are). NMW is at a decent level. At 18 I earned the grand sum of £2.75 per hour.
My husband hasn't charged a higher daily rate for 6 or 7 years either. The fact that it's up to £1k per day is neither here nor there. If he wants to work, he can't demand greater fees when companies aren't able to pay more. They'll just hire indian firms if they can't afford him.
I could advertise my services (consultancy) at £1k per day, but I'd not get much work. If I charge £600 I get a decent amount.
THE OP CANNOT HAVE WHAT HIS EMPLOYERS HAVEN'T GOT.
The fact that it is up to £1k a day is relevant to the argument. Someone earning near NMW on a zero hour contract is nothing like comparable to someone earning that kind of money.
I do understand elasticity of demand and that this applies to labour, however as a society we need to make a decision about what is the minimum acceptable standard of living for a working person. Human decency dictates that this should be enough to provide for all basic needs as an absolute minimum.
Research carried out recently by the Rowntree Foundation showed emphatically that NMW does not provide for what we as a society deem to be an acceptable minimum standard of living.0 -
notanewuser wrote: »I'd suggest you go and volunteer for a year in an indian slum or african village if you think £6.50+ per hour is poverty.
And that is how you think OP should be forced to live too?
What does that say about you and your attitude to your fellow human beings?0 -
Maybe the unions should have tried to get a LIVING WAGE not a NMW!!!Research carried out recently by the Rowntree Foundation showed emphatically that NMW does not provide for what we as a society deem to be an acceptable minimum standard of living.We’ve had to remove your signature. Please check the Forum Rules if you’re unsure why it’s been removed and, if still unsure, email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
notanewuser wrote: »I'd suggest you go and volunteer for a year in an indian slum or african village if you think £6.50+ per hour is poverty.
£6.50 is a decent wage if you are single and only have yourself to fend for.0
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