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  • tir21
    tir21 Posts: 1,030 Forumite
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    ILW wrote: »
    Thought you had asked and they said no.

    i can always ask again
  • AP007
    AP007 Posts: 7,109 Forumite
    tir21 wrote: »
    why if by asking them i could get more?

    loving a job doesnt prevent one loving it more if you could negotiate say a 0. 5% pay increase every 4 or 5 years
    So I thought you had asked them?
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  • AP007
    AP007 Posts: 7,109 Forumite
    tir21 wrote: »
    i can always ask again
    LOL you do that
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  • tir21
    tir21 Posts: 1,030 Forumite
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    AP007 wrote: »
    LOL you do that

    cool. its so good living in a country where one can ask for a pay rise without getting sacked
  • Southend1
    Southend1 Posts: 3,362 Forumite
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    tir21 wrote: »
    this already seems too ambitious for my company. i dont see much point in being more ambitious

    The point is, if you don't, pretty soon you will end up on the streets because you can't afford rent, food, clothes etc.
  • Southend1
    Southend1 Posts: 3,362 Forumite
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    ILW wrote: »
    Many employers do not have pay points, just individual contracts.
    Just as it should be.

    Sorry should have been clear, by pay points I meant whatever everyone is on now could be increased by x%.

    Though OP's union could of course try to negotiate for a pay scale. Why shouldn't pay be fair and transparent?
  • Southend1
    Southend1 Posts: 3,362 Forumite
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    AP007 wrote: »
    A union can negotiate for one person who gets a different pay already to the others and maybe better or worse benefits and the company have decided they aren't getting anything?

    I really do doubt it as the company will just say 'sorry no pay rise for you'##

    You may doubt that a union can engage an employer in collective bargaining, however I do not.
  • comeandgo
    comeandgo Posts: 5,930 Forumite
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    tir 21, I have not read all the posts but are you working for a Ltd company? If so you can purchase their last annual accounts from Companies House and check how profitable the company is. My husbands last employer went on about how bad the profits were, no money for pay increases etc but the year end accounts showed profits down but nowhere near as much as they stated.
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    Southend1 wrote: »
    Initially you may be the first, but with support from your branch or regional organiser you would recruit your colleagues, gain recognition and negotiate with the employer for a pay increase. Of course this will take some time, which is why I would always recommend joining a union from day 1.
    Then your employer ships all the work out overseas because it just becomes too much bother. I am old enough to remember the 70s and what the unions did to the UK.
  • tir21
    tir21 Posts: 1,030 Forumite
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    ILW wrote: »
    Then your employer ships all the work out overseas because it just becomes too much bother. I am old enough to remember the 70s and what the unions did to the UK.

    with no pay rises and zero hour contracts it seems we have swung to far the other way though
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