report someone for benefit fraud ??

nannytone_2

strangeotron wrote: »

And you have evidence of this, not just assumptions?

over 95% of reports are dubious. I'm not convinced I'm afraid and you could well have life for someone, particularly if they are a genuine carer, very very difficult. I hope you're proud of yourself.

so unless you have cast iron proof of wrongdoing.... even if someone receives HRM, but clearly has no mobility issues ( unable/virtually unable to walk) lives on benefits but affords foreign holidays etc, you shouldnt question this?

even when you are in work and contributing towards this persons lifestyle?

no wonder people get away with it for years and years.

and as i said previously .... the people with the real need are the ones that suffer.

strangeotron

princessdon wrote: »

It's not made easier when many in society don't advocate reporting. On threads like this I'd say 3/4 normally tell you not to report, mind your own business etc.

We all know people who lie (or must do) on their forms, problem is they fooled doctors and ATOS. A school mum won her tribunal for HRC / HRM as she has such a bad back and is so weak from her ME.

Walks her dog every day, last year won the egg and spoon race, I saw her climb a climbing frame to get her boy down when stuck.

I have reported. Nothing done, I was thinking of recording her at this sports day and sending it in. She also lives with her fianc! but as his legal address is his mums its pointless.

I hope they deal with your report.

We don't all know people who lie on their forms. I cannot imagine anyone would have access to other peole's claim forms to even prove this.

nannytone_2

strangeotron wrote: »

We don't all know people who lie on their forms. I cannot imagine anyone would have access to other peole's claim forms to even prove this.

i used to work for DIAL.
day in and day out i completed DLA forms.
i left after 2 years because i couldnt continue to be complicit in other peoples fraud.

i can only say what the circumstances were with the people I say, in the office i worked in.
but about a third 'over egged the pudding' at best and downright lied at worst

strangeotron

nannytone wrote: »

so unless you have cast iron proof of wrongdoing.... even if someone receives HRM, but clearly has no mobility issues ( unable/virtually unable to walk) lives on benefits but affords foreign holidays etc, you shouldnt question this?

even when you are in work and contributing towards this persons lifestyle?

no wonder people get away with it for years and years.

and as i said previously .... the people with the real need are the ones that suffer.

You don't think you need cast iron proof? :eek:

You want tto accuse people with serious consequences for their lives with impunity? How about, if the allegation proves false, you are subject to a hefty fine?

Good grief, you can't be serious: people without 'obvious' physical signs of a disability must be faking it? Listen to yourself? What about issues of mental or emotional health? Shouldn't people with legitimate claims based on health reasons be entitled to holidays?

The ones in need don't suffer because of those measly few that play the system. Over 15 billion quid each year goes unclaimed!

strangeotron

nannytone wrote: »

i used to work for DIAL.
day in and day out i completed DLA forms.
i left after 2 years because i couldnt continue to be complicit in other peoples fraud.

i can only say what the circumstances were with the people I say, in the office i worked in.
but about a third 'over egged the pudding' at best and downright lied at worst

Since you have no way to prove this I can only assume this is hyperbole at best.

nannytone_2

strangeotron wrote: »

You don't think you need cast iron proof? :eek:

You want tto accuse people with serious consequences for their lives with impunity? How about, if the allegation proves false, you are subject to a hefty fine?

Good grief, you can't be serious: people without 'obvious' physical signs of a disability must be faking it? Listen to yourself? What about issues of mental or emotional health? Shouldn't people with legitimate claims based on health reasons be entitled to holidays?

The ones in need don't suffer because of those measly few that play the system. Over 15 billion quid each year goes unclaimed!

not if there is a realistic suspicion. it is upto the DWP to find the proof or otherwise.

if there was a serial rapist on the town, would you object to people being qyestioned as suspects or would you prefer to wait until they were caught in the act?

nannytone_2

strangeotron wrote: »

You don't think you need cast iron proof? :eek:

You want tto accuse people with serious consequences for their lives with impunity? How about, if the allegation proves false, you are subject to a hefty fine?

Good grief, you can't be serious: people without 'obvious' physical signs of a disability must be faking it? Listen to yourself? What about issues of mental or emotional health? Shouldn't people with legitimate claims based on health reasons be entitled to holidays?

The ones in need don't suffer because of those measly few that play the system. Over 15 billion quid each year goes unclaimed!

to receive high rate mobility you have to be unable/virtually unable to walk or have vision poorer than being able to read the single letter at the top of the chart.

the person we are talking about walks without difficulty and drives.

so that covers the above criteria for eligability to high rate mobility

nannytone_2

strangeotron wrote: »

Since you have no way to prove this I can only assume this is hyperbole at best.

as i said .... the layperson makes the report and the job of the DWP is to either find evidence to support the claim or to dismiss it

GlasweJen

I quit CAB for the same reason. A man in my dads running club wanting to renew his high rate mobility claim, a man who climbed 3 flights of stairs but claimed to be virtually unable to walk and a single mum of 5 who came in with an engagement ring on and a male "friend" to support her needing help because she was being investigated for LTAHAW within the space of a week.

mazza111

princessdon wrote: »

I know of 5 who found work once WRAG conts ran out after a year or now claim carers for a relative. They do care for them, that isn't in dispute but its a fact they became well enough to care/work once ESA stopped and were on IB for years. Are they ill? They are not 100% fit, but were always capable of working as ran a home, looked after children and elderly parents - it for the ones I know provided an income to be a stay at home parent as their partners earn too much for tax credits. One was on HRc, LRM and ESA, more money than she'd get part time (her words).

But fraud is 0.5 so I guess this is a story

But I could claim that legitimately too. Much of what I do for my mother is in a supervisory role. Or making calls on her behalf, arranging her carers/social work etc. So you don't really know that those people are fit for work. I run a home too, not very effectively I must say, looks like a bomb has dropped most of the time But that doesn't mean I'm fit for work. I cook both my mother's and daughter's meals when I'm making our own. Plate them up and they can heat them in the microding the next day, so it's no extra work, but could still count as hours towards carers allowance.

Anyhoo, my hips haven't been right since my surgery, so I'm gonna quit while I'm ahead.

I too would have no objections to being watched as I've told the truth on my forms and my dd's forms.