Friend racially abused on the bus :(

olly300

poet123 wrote: »

I don't quite know what it is, but it could be sentence construction, terms of reference, language used. It doesn't sit right with me for a 15 year old. And I do have a lot of experience with that age group;) Call it gut feel.

That is not to say it is not a good topic for debate, but in the abstract I suppose it doesn't have the same human appeal;) Just my opinion.

I actually got 3 15 year olds to do some work for me a couple of years ago.

Their individual style of writing was different even though they used very similar sources of information.

Also there are a lot of adults who post on this site who post as their friend or relation.

poet123

olly300 wrote: »

I actually got 3 15 year olds to do some work for me a couple of years ago.

Their individual style of writing was different even though they used very similar sources of information.

Also there are a lot of adults who post on this site who post as their friend or relation.

For sources of info: read Wiki!!;)

clemmatis

poet123 wrote: »

I don't quite know what it is,

I've simply come to expect trolls on MSE, probably because of andynflo's serial benefits trolling. And so, I look askance at various new posters.

coolcait

poet123 wrote: »

Op forgive me, but I am not sure it is Dt who is the troll. Something doesn't quite sit right.

I don't think that there's any kind of "one troll per thread" rule.

Some threads might have no trolls whatsoever. Others might only have the occasional non-troll.

Generally there's a variety.

coolcait

I appreciate all the reasons why bystanders might not intervene directly.

But, we do live in an era where technology can - eventually - bring a racist ranter to justice:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22780673

When I was younger, many women wore a headscarf in public, when in 'casual wear'. Even the queen.

Maybe not the greatest fashion moment ever, but certainly not grounds for abuse.

I don't see why that should have changed - apart from ignorance and prejudice on the part of the abusers. And those who support their actions.

MarilynMonroe_2

Hi Op, I'm sorry you and your friend had to go through this on the bus. Unfortunately there are idiots out there! Your friend was right to stay quiet but someone should have at least had a word with the driver to get him thrown off.

And ignore some of the responses on here, your ignore function is excellent! ... I coudlnt see quite a few responses on here but i can imagine!

dktreesea

totallybored wrote: »

I agree, I'm aware of the kind of society I live in. It's one that respects others, one where people can practice their faith without the fear of persecution, one that is accepting of others no matter what colour or creed they are, one where people are free to dress how they wish, one where racism isn't acceptable, one where teenage girls are allowed to use public transport and expect to be safe and finally one where the victim is not to blame but the person committing the criminal act is.

That's your experience of this society. Ask people who have been attacked, or verbally abused, if they feel that Britain is as tolerant as you describe.

dktreesea

ecgirl07 wrote: »

because you blamed the girl because she was wearing a headscarf and travelling on a public bus

she has every right to do both without being hassled by a racist

she has every right to do so EVEN if she is going to be hassled by a racist

for her to take off her headscarf and stay in or have an adult with her because there is a chance she could be racially abused, as you advocate, means the EDL/racist mentality is winning and that is horrific....

What is the point on people being hellbent on exercising their rights if the result - however wrong on the part of the perpetrators - is that they get abused and harassed because of it?

tayforth

dktreesea wrote: »

It's all very well to insist on wearing clothing that makes you stand out due to religious freedom, but if you are going to wear something that identifies you as part of a religious group whose members think it's okay to kill soldiers not on active duty, you've surely got to expect that there may be some members of the community who associate you with that crime - however wrongly on their part - and verbally abuse you, or maybe even attack you, in public.

Muslim women are meant to move through their communities as anonymously as possible, not standing out and attracting attention. Hence the French government insisting on no religious dress at school. In muslim countries, if christian women don't want to be abused on the street for the way they dress, they cover.

As for travelling on a bus with drunks on it, what time of the day was it? We have children older than you, OP. My husband wouldn't dream of letting his DD travel on a bus from the early evening onwards. He would go and pick her up.

dktreesea, I've seen some carp spouted by you, but this takes the biscuit. How could anyone possibly think that these girls bear any responsibility for what happened???


What a ridiculous, shameful notion.


Makes sense that justme111 thanked this post, (s)he is pretty prejudiced as well, and likes to post a load of insulting nonsense just to get attention. You two are well matched.

dktreesea wrote: »

Yes, that's the theory - we should all be able to travel without being harassed, no matter what we are wearing. But it's not reality.

As to what if the drunk made sexual remarks about the way women dressed, if women, young or old, want to avoid being harassed by men in this way, they know the answer don't they - dress more modestly. I realise wearing one's trousers half way down the bum seems to be the new fashion statement, not to mention wearing things like jeggings that show off every curve, but if you dress like that you've surely got to expect some people are going to take exception to the way you dress and say so?

And it gets worse.


Don't we all have a right to dress as we please, without being harassed? This sounds dangerously close to saying that someone who's been raped was 'asking for it' because of what they wore.


Here's a bit of news for you. The perpetrator is at fault in such situations, not the victim.

dktreesea wrote: »

Mine is 17 and none of them, neither she nor her friends, travel on the bus unless they have males accompanying them.

For someone who talks about 'what people normally do', I'm really at a loss to understand this. Why not just lock them up in your cellar, then they wouldn't be at risk of anything at all? Poor, poor girls (that's if they even exist).

dktreesea

*max* wrote: »

What if the girl had not been wearing a headscarf, but had been, say, black. What could she have done to "limit the possibilities" of getting abuse from drunken morons? Would she also be partly to blame because she has the temerity of having dark skin?

Was the OPs friend persecuted because she was black or beacuse she was wearing the hijab? I would say more likely the latter.

It's not race that determines whether people want to integrate into our society. If you are part of a group that chooses to settle in the UK but at the same time describes the local population in derogatory terms and doesn't want to mix with them, then it is likely that there will be some people, (even if they have to be drunk before they have the courage to make their feelings known in public) who will take exception to that group as a whole and take it out on whichever individuals they perceive to be from that group.

That's unfortunate, but the girls in question are minors, not adults. Surely we should be thinking, when it comes to our children, safety first?